How to stop Engine from turning on?

honda and toyota systems are very different. honda's was a failure.

 

Ooohh- that's not very nice, bisco.

 

Toyota decided to leave regen braking on- but to burn off extra amps... they start the ICE.

Yes, it does have an EV switch- but it's severely limited in the non plug-in Prius.

Yes it has a 'power' meter- but just keeping below the red 'power zone' doesn't guarantee the ICE won't fire up under certain conditions as I mentioned in my previous post.

 

It's not funny. The goal was achieve mainstream sales. Clearly, that did not happen.

Note the topic of discussion. Who is concerned about stopping the engine? The typical joe really doesn't care. It's the efficiency & emission improvement at a reasonable price, not when or how that is achieved.

 

i stand by my words, failure in almost any respect. hate is your word. why don't you illuminate us as to why your insight is no longer made, why the new insight is a sales dog and why you're NOT buying a civic, like most hybrid buyers.

 

Each automaker is in competition with itself.

The hope for Honda has always been for cars like Civic & Accord to transition from traditional production to hybrid. That didn't work out with their ASSIST design. Hopefully, their new FULL will.

That's why Toyota can be considered successful. They did indeed replace a sizeable chuck of their own annual output from guzzler to sipper.

 

We see the same thing from Volt enthusiasts. Profit from high-volume acceptance pay the bills, not praise or trophies. Sales are a cold business reality.

 

Averaging 70 mpg? Really? Have you anything to back up that statement? Remember the class action lawsuit over the mileage claims Honda made for the Civic Hybrid?
Cash or Coupon for Honda Civic Hybrid Owners In Mileage Lawsuit
Where were the 70 mpg guys when they settled? How many were there of these "top Civic Hybrid owners?" Owners claimed to never hit the 49-50 mpg advertised, some getting only in the 30's. The Insight is a little more believable, just not the Civic Hybrid.

 

I didn't design the Prius, but my impression from driving them is that EV-only operation was not a design goal. Just because spinning up the engine may reduce mileage from 999 to 99 MPG, in reality, actual gas consumption is barely affected. As for freewheeling, that is potentially dangerous, and so I think Toyota's engineers chose safety over imaginary fuel economy.
If be curious to know what an all-electric car does when fully charged at the top of a mountain.

 

Troy, you are confusing one lawsuit in California which was filed by an individual who opted out of the settlement, with the class action suit described in the article I linked. And you said before that "top Civic Hybrid owners" averaged 70 mpg. Now you're saying you got 70 mpg on test drives? How long were those drives? I can't believe you could do a test drive that would compare to real world, day to day driving and come up with an accurate mileage number. I've got nothing against Hondas, owned one 20 years ago. But c'mon, I think you are exaggerating a bit on the mpg claims.

 

Everyone's commute and driving pattern/behavior is different.

Compared to mine, he is highly exaggerating. I do all my short trips in EV mode, without short trip MPG penalty. That leaves the miles that gas engine is very efficient at.

I am averaging 54 MPG on the miles I drive with gas. 263 Wh/mi (128 MPGe) on the miles I drive with electricity. More info.

Gas engine warmup takes gasoline the amount of two eggs (111 ml). On top of producing cabin heat, it also increases about 0.2 EV miles from recharging the battery.

 

I was forced to warm-up while parked the other day. The result was about 0.35 EV miles of recharging while raising the coolant from cold (just below freezing) to 103°F, the point at which the engine shut off.

 

Troy, if you are using the "instant mpg bar" then that would not seem to me to be the same thing as "averaging." That would be like saying I get 999 mpg with my PiP because that is what it reads after every trip in which the ICE never runs. If I let off the gas in my Lexus, it will show a high mpg figure, too. So what? That isn't "averaging." And you say the top scorers exceed 70 mpg., so they are getting 40% higher than the EPA figures for the car? There are hypermilers who get fantastic numbers with the Prius, too. But they certainly aren't average owners. I ask again, where are you getting these facts you throw out?

 

If someone can hit 70 MPG (lifetime?) in a Civic hybrid, the same person can do wonders with PiP.