I want to run on propane

dont confuse lpg for cng, not the same thing, althou I believe those kits woud do either CNG=compressed natural gas to about 3000 psi I hear, not into it, lpg = liquid petroleum gas aka propane 150 psi I believe big diference allthou fuels are rather simmilar at normal temps propane becoms liquid under moderate pressure , makes it more portable,
anywho, I'm mot sure if the user you speak of is still arround or in the market, I read his thread I dont remember if it was recent thou, now would be the time, I don't want to shop aroound forever and I am pretty confortable with these italians, the guy is still talking to me from home, he did go out of his way to help me, like I said that kind of stuff goes a long way with me, still no word from the brit or the polock, here's some links he sent me, I watched them last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB7h7ftdsQA
also I am attaching a wire diagram, he sent for homework, I have not had a chance to look at it yet, as for EM I asume engine management, they are all rather simmilar of course each have their diferences and software, but for the most part they are "slave" type, they listen to the oem, and match the requests with respect to the different fuel, I read in that british website, its not that simple as propane is beeing injected as a gas and there are signifficant diferences measuring it at different temperatures, all in all from what I gathered so far all these manufacturers are pretty competitive, products are rather similar and I've come to understand there is no best kit, kind of like computers, latest today will be history tomorow, as long as its decent quality should do the trick, after all I know I'm a geek but how far do you want to take this.

 

and ? I'm a bit unclear,
check theyr you tube chanel, there is a dino example shows more hp than gas, of course burns mor volume im sure

 

I apreciate the feedback, I have come across prins, and they do have a rep in the states, I'm pretty sure that was the one sugarcoated sales pich I mentiond, no upfront cost , easy financing, fine print, $58oo
dont get me wrong I read good reviews about prins, and they are refered to as top of the line, its just that their rep out here is a greedy pig, it the american side of prins that disgusted me, too many suits screwing arround yearlong making 1/4 mil thats what that is, I wont even consider them, if I do end up with prins, I have to find a distribuitor in europe and see if I can have them ship it

 

I read about the valve lubrication but none of the systems I looked at had it (maybe that 5800 one does ) however, not sure as ho how they achieve it, something I read mentioned it could damage the cat, sounded like a 2 stroke type setup, where some oil is injected in the intake, that be the case, I'm not sure I want it if it were free let alone pay extra, I cant see any other way besides, machinework to the engine to bring more oil to the valves

 

came across "lovato" another brand, looks like theres dozens of manufacturers, could not folow theyr site as I did not notice an english button, or any other for that matter. not sure what in waz but they mention something about ac stag, who knows they may be related

 

yes I knew that trick, my point is there are so many. what to do? I got an answear from the brit, althou he wont divulge any of his secrets, ( he's selling a surprise box basicaly with his guarantee that components have been properly selected to fit and perform as best to his knowledge for my aplication) he did advice against the gasitaly kit I posted earlier, I can't confirm this, I just dont know better, but he sais its not a fully sequential procesor, it reads #1 cyl impulses, fires all the gas injectors based on that reading and rpm, and while it works, it is not as advanced as others that calculate each pulse with respect to oem impulse for that cyl, something about hesitation, he wrote a lot, more than I do.
either way I looked up the exchange, the italian kit, is about $320 the specialy selected yorkshire surprise kit $480, part per part the component list is about the same, I'm not the guy to cheap out on quality/tecknology especialy on a prius with all these computers arround. but a surprise kit? come on

 

oh he did mention I either get an valve lube kit now or a head in 20 000 miles, and timing advance is only 2 degrees throughout the rpm if anything is needed beloe 2000 rpm, but prius has a knock sensor and adjusts for octane by itself, makes sense?

 

the british, guy from yorkshire. www.lpgc.co.uk, I posted it earlier

 

I can get a bit pasionate sometimes thou I mean no harm, my reply was legitimate too,
this is a tipical response what are you trying to acomplish? I read somewhere that in the rece for alternative fuels the us picks winners, ev was voted, there is little to none interest in other technologies thou they may be more promissing, ex biodiesel, dead in the watter.
not to hyjack my own post but am am rather into ev tech, I have an ebike smallscale experiment and I plan on a windmill to charge it given the dirty electricity mentioned, heck doing away with dte is up there on my list of things to do, thou small scale involves bateries expensive inverters, not to get into it too deep there is no payout, theres got to be a different way, too much for too little type deal.
and not to pick on you again but look at what you are saing, its not like those hymotions are free for everybody, if you're going to truly evaluate it, leave aside your personal perks of the job, keep in mind I'm not trying to piss you off, next time you have the chalenge of disposing of a defective kit I'll gladly be of service, I wont charge you much to dispose of it
as for cycles by all means please elaborate, I was under the impression a tipical lion, is rated for 1000 cycles at 80 % discharge, say 2000 at 60%, times whatever range you get out of it, its only good for so many miles, and mind you I'm throwing numbers out there thou I believe I'm pretty close, 1000 cycles / 365 days theres me 3 years estimate, and you get what 11 miles out of 4kw, that I may be wrong on, I think the pip has 11 miles not sure of capacity, say I'm somewhat in the ballpark , consider that $7 000 batery pack in your cost per mile than we can talk, I know the electric motors are 90 % efficient versus, what 20%on the ice, but the rest of the system has losses usualy neclected, there are generating loses, transmission, charging, batery internal resistance converters, by the time it makes it to the motor, don't quote me on this youre down to 50%, and than the motor can use 90% of that, take the cost involved into consideration, youre not saving $ nor the enviroment, at best may break even give or take a neglectable amount, also keep in mind there is no such thing as free, somebody paid for it and likely through the wall street chain it washed down into the national debt pot. just a thoght, I'm not originally from arround here the first thing I noticed you all use that word way too loosely, I'm sure I could go on but its enough.

 

theres no debate that fosil should be absolete, thou the volt is no deal, 45k last I checked, most I ever spent was a brand new cavalier, you can get 3 for that price, or say 2 + propane fore their lifetime, you mention ev dont present identical exp to drivers, pip or volt may not, dont know havent been arround them, but as a general rule they perform much better, like I said, my bike its in pieces right now, tinkering, but its something I can relate to, I have 1kw hub motor, not sure what those gas 66cc-80cc are rated for, but up to 35mph it outperforms my wifes 250cc, by the seat of my pants, so I may be off a bit, electric has its purpose, at the moment its not even in its infancy, cal, az, or any other place where solar makes sense like toronto, I'm thinking its all niagara, here its not even an embrio.
anywho, if any of you are arround have a look at this:
Good morning,
Please find below a quotation for a full kit lpg.
I am proposing the compact OBD and the standard OBDII:

F5 COMPACT OBD 4 CYL​

F5 STANDARD OBDII 4 CYL​

GI ECU Set F5 COMPACT OBD 4 Cyl.
GI ECU Set F5 STANDARD OBDII 4 Cyl.
Rail 4 Cyl. Injectors
Rail 4 Cyl. Injectors
Gas Filter
Gas Filter
Tomasetto reducer mod. ALASKA
Tomasetto reducer mod. ALASKA
Mounting Set
Mounting Set
Copper Pipe 6mm x 6m
Copper Pipe 6mm x 6m
Copper Pipe 8mm x 2m
Copper Pipe 8mm x 2m
Multivalve Tomasetto AT02 with sensor
Multivalve Tomasetto AT02 with sensor
Tomasetto Refilling Set
Tomasetto Refilling Set
Hoses for gas 12x19x1 m
Hoses for gas 12x19x1 m
Hoses for gas 5x11 x 2 m
Hoses for gas 5x11 x 2 m
Hoses for vacuum 4x9x1,7m
Hoses for vacuum 4x9x1,7m
Hoses for water 16x24x1,5m
Hoses for water 16x24x1,5m
Tank Toroidal 600/220 47 lt.
Tank Toroidal 600/220 47 lt.
Total price : 302,00 euro
Total price : 332,00 euro


This is what the gasitaly offers, I realy like this guy, I don't know if any of you watched their videos, even the hoses have the companies name on, looks like a full out shop, the prices you cant even argue with duda diesel, here in alabama, sels the vector, minikit/not complete, as in the first list I posted 245 euro one, for I think $800, and I don't think its a whole lot better, I just dont know.
The only thing I'm still considering, there is a huge selection out there, everybody and their grandma makes one, there's no way I can properly evaluate all of them and make a good choice, I'm not getting much help arround here either, some brought up some names and it helps, I was looking more for specifics, this is what the shop in england sells, and I dont mind paying extra and buy from them but they are killing me with this surprise box they sell, I know the guy knows his stuff and he brought up some concerns, the gas italy module in plain words its basic, or so he claims, and injectors not as reliable, the ac stag 300 the other user posted, pops up everytime you run google, or you tube, injector names like valtek, it seems like these are the good kits or over advertised, and acording to mandrei's conversion they are pretty reasonable too I think it ran him $630 shipped. Im looking so far at 332e*1.3 =$431 leaves me plenty for shipping, obviously even by the price this kit kind of sound cheap, but dam it its complete from a to z, forget the basic brain, and supposedly unreliable injectors, from where I stand the rest of the stuff is worth the $alone
and the other components the name like tomassetto alaska, I came across before I'm under the impression is one of the good ones. computer and injectors can be upgraded later guess thats where I'm going with this, if they need to, there is also the possibility it will do fine, were talking about 76hp for crist sake, supposedly the way these italian modules are built leaves them hesitant at low end, well hell the prius is hessitant alltogether.
any input is apreciated