Gun owners / carriers?

Post School Shooting Thoughts from Former SpecOps type.

Some internal "discussion" that has been so much in the news.

A Former PJ's Reaction to the Sandy Hook School Shooting | SOFREP

 

Sorry, Mr Incredible, I just had to steal this from another thread.... Especially since it was in the news today!

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Something I found in my daily surfing - Amusing Explanation of 2nd Amendment and Original Intent.

It is non-threatening to those not gun-centric, and explains the Constitution and the Bill of Rights better than I've seen in a long time. It's a bit of a read, but not as long as I would have wished.

 

This is similar to debates about bible principles. Some use the Bible and twist it to confirm their own beliefs and convictions with their guidance being their own understanding and their own intellect is all they will trust and belive in.

While others surrender their own understanding and lay it down in faith to find the truth without their own bias and paradigms clouding the truths.

The constitution is the bible code of this country... But many don't care... That was 200 years ago, so it's every man for himself and every man becomes a law unto themselves and so "lawlessness" prevails.

Many think guns bring lawlessness and danger, but on the contrare, they preserve law and order and keep us safe.

Remove guns and there are no equalizers...It's then just survival of the fittest.

If your weak, Young, or old and don't have the physical skill and strength to protect yourself you are vulnerable at call times and all places without a gun.

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Why do you think that US history is taught by athletic coaches as a "throw-away" course in most high schools???
No disparagement intended towards these coaches, but I remember when I was in high school the history teachers were there to coach....THEN teach.
The course was a JOKE.
Rememberize some dates.
Spit(some of) those out on a multiple guess test.
Pass test.
If you were an athlete, or wore the right kind of shirt, or they just needed a few more students to make their numbers.....you didn't even have to pass the test to pass the test.
State requirement = done.

I thought this was just Indiana being a goofy Midwestern state again. Then? I became a squid and I've lived in a lot of other states.
You know what?
They all do it.
My last NAVY unit had a High School Football Coach.....and yes.
He was a US History teacher.

US History is a throw away course in every school district that I've ever had any contact with. Hell.....most districts are struggling furiously just to teach basic reading/writing/rithmatic!!!
People are staggeringly uneducated about civics and history.
Every now and again some talk show or radio host will put a "Man on the street" to ask a complicated question like:
"Who is the Vice President?"
...and they will sit back and watch the fun.

Now.....if you're talking about a Mondale or an Agnew I could understand. When FDR stroked out in Georgia back in 45 the most common question back then was "Harry Truman??? Who the hell is THAT????"
However (comma!) you can understand this because FDR had been president for a veeeeeeeeeeery long time. In fact.....many people at that time knew no other president!
NOW????
Like him or Hate him.....if you don't know who Joe Robinette "F-Bomb" Biden, Jr is????
You're hanging out under a rock somewhere!!!

Here's the real deal.
Historical apathy isn't new...and it isn't an evil plot hatched out by Barrack's pappy to cripple the USofA....BUT....there are a LOOOOT of people in academia that are taking advantage of people's ignorance about history, which is why you're starting to see stories now.....and you're going to see more in the next few months explaining to us that: "Guns aren't all that important to the fabric of the United States. Most people in colonial times didn't even HAVE them."
And? Some people will actually believe them.
After all.....who is going to dispute these "experts"?
A bunch of prepers in cabins up in the Dakotas?
Glen Beck?
History LITERALLY is....HIS Story. (Her's too) and people have been fussing and cussing about gun control since the turn of the century. No...not this one....I'm sorry. The other one.
Back in the twenties we had the same daffy discussions about the "Do's" and the "Don't s" (sometimes called the Haves and the Have Nots) and...yes...gun control. There was a large thriving Leftist movement in the US during the 20's. Many people openly admitted that they were Socialists and/or Communists, and there was a VERY open and heated debate at the time about things like private property rights, gun ownership, and the evil, rich folks in the land. There were a lot of homes and farms back then were being repossessed by the evil banks....and in some communities there were even violent actions taken against banks and court officials trying to enforce foreclosures.
(sound familiar?)
Then???
World War Twice kicked off, and people saw glaring examples of Socialism and Communism in action. There's nothing quite like a socialist government turning millions of people into soap and/or air pollution.........or communists governments turning tens of millions of people into human scarecrows to kinda sour most folks on the whole Leftist movement thing.

There's nothing new under the sun, and most people are just too lazy to look at the newspapers and other publications of the period, or read authoritative accounts of life in these 50 (or...48) states back in the day....so....The BAD news is....
People forget.

The GOOD news is.....People forget.
America has ADD.
Our collective attention span is.....like....six weeks.
I could be wrong about this (I was about the ACA) but I'm predicting that not very much is going to come from the latest "outrage" about weapons in America, and believe it or not there are a helluva lot MORE gun owners out there than gun haters.
Go look in a Sporting goods store.
You'll notice two things (If you have a three digit IQ):
1. There are a LOT of empty shelves.
2. Many of the weapons that they have left? Have pink trim grips and stocks

Think about it for a while.

 

At my Barber when I sit in the chair there's an old bar sign on the wall that says "use the spitoons and check your guns at the door".

This reminds me even back then there were expectations of responsibility when carrying a gun.
Human nature gives us common sense to know when liquor is served people shoot their mouths when normally they wouldn't.
If people are carrying guns they will likewise shoot their guns when drunk when otherwise they would not.

I'm sure the beer drinkin fool thought his right to bear arms was being violated even back then.

I don't think many people feel it's unfair to keep guns out of the hands of those who have already proven themselves abusive even without the guns.

But responsible people should have a right to defend themselves as well as another who may be defenseless against abuse.

Same goes for driving a car. If you have no serous violations you should be able to drive or drive for others who can't.... "designated driver".

I fear many who have issues with others having guns are the criminals themselves.... I'm sure it's easy for them to spot a police and avoid them when doing their deeds, it's quite another issue when they never know who's carrying!

Criminal beware!....

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Sometimes, words just don't cut it.


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This is why I oppose efforts to expand our concealed carry license validity to include bars. Alcohol doesn't mix with gunpowder any better than it mixes with gasoline. A local poster child for this is the off-duty Seattle Police Officer who got into a bar fight in Sturgis SD over display of colors and shot his opponent.

If that was Biden and Holder in the middle, I'd have 'liked' your post.

 

I do agree.... Even police officers should not be allowed if they are drinking because they are not operating under the rules of their own office.

While true, some undercover officers may drink while on duty, if they get drunk they are no longer fit for duty... Sorry but true.

So what's drunk?... Above. 08 ought to do it... But since there is no one checking in a bar, No one gets to carry unless they are on duty and not drinking.

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On those days that I strap on a sidearm, I visualize the needs that may occur and commit myself to their successful conclusion. Alcohol is never a part of that visualization.

If you carry, don't drink. Duh.

 

Unfortunately many officers get so used to carrying, they forget its not appropriate when going into party mode.

Gives chl holders a bad name too.
Just yesterday in the Dallas news a security guy shot his wife over a maritial argument... He was licensed to carry... Sad thing is HOW.?..... He had a history of domestic violence.... Based on that he should have been banned.

I'm tired of idiots giving guns a bad name.
I doubt the guy shot his wife in a defensive posture.

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My friend had the "heat" with him on our last journey out into the woods... transported in my Prius.

My family has always had firearms and know the rules for carrying - it has been passed on for some generations now. My oldest has a carry permit now... the apple does not fall far from the tree.

 

(many) gun owner
pit bull owner

 

Waiting for my permit to carry to arrive in the mail

Mike

 

Somehow, I clicked through this and accidentally posted in this thread...go figure....

Sorry....no option to delete....so all I can do is explain....

 

People forget things like, Nazism was Facist not Socialist (if there is a line on which to place these things, they are at opposite ends.)

 

Point taken....but a rose is still a smelly dead flower in a glass of water.
Socialism has....what? Four surviving countries?
Cuber, Veet-NAM, and Laos.
The PRC calls themselves a socialist country, but they're really not and, Venezuela isn't really a self-labeled "Worker's Paradise" buuuuut they're getting closer and closer.

Since the former Soviet Union doesn't have the best human rights record (many historians claim that the Socialists killed more people than the Faschisti) and since I can't really fathom the difference between a purely Fascist and a purely Socialist republic outside the theoretical......what's the difference?
It's not a line.....it's a circle.

 

Not so, Nazism and Socialism 'Evolved' from Fascism or is it . . .
Nazism and Fascism 'Evolved' from Socialism or is it . . .
Socialism 'Evolved' from Nazism and Fascism or is it . . .

Meh, who cares. . . 'A rose is a rose is a rose.'

 

A rose isn't just a rose to those that would love to see us go the way of the Soviet Union, nazi germany, or California.

 

More like Greece or Cyprus.