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Discussion in 'Prius v Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by jonb505, Mar 25, 2013.

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    driving home last night i noticed this strange noise coming from the back seat area. not very loud, just a faint electrical motor sound emitting from the passenger rear side of the vehicle.
    It was strange as in i've never heard it before, i eventually narrowed it down to what i think is the battery fan. When i stopped and got out with the car still running i went to the back seat and listened under the seat and could hear the fan running.
    What I thought was strange though was the noise when driving. I would only hear it at speeds above 20 km/h. When i would pull up to a stop and slowed below 20 the noise would switch off, no change in pitch, it would just stop. Then when i would accelerate above 20 the noise would "switch on again". I was only driving through an urban area at the time so never got speed up to anything faster than 50kmh.
    I'm used to the typical regen braking noise, inverter whine, brake popping noises, etc but this one has me a little worried as it was a new sound and it was coming from the battery area.

    I do live in a very hilly area with lots of short steep hills that usually gives me full bars on the battery at least once a day. Also rush hour traffic can be horrendous around here which can bring the battery down to 2 or 3 bars sometimes.

    Is there anything else in the rear end of the v that could be making funny noises?
     
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    Yap, that the battery fan alright.
     
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    The battery fan on my 2010 runs based on temperature. Above 97F the battery fan will come on at a slow speed and will increase speed based on the increase in temperature. I cannot hear the battery fan at low speeds, only after it gets up to the higher speeds.

    Unless there was a change in your 2012 Prius v, this should not switch off based on speed.
     
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    I heard it again today. Happened in the exact same place it happened the first time. It does the same thing, gets louder as i'm driving faster then "switches off" when i come to a stop. was 44f and at night when it happened the first time and 55f and sunny when it happened today. lots of hilly driving again.

    Like you say I do not understand why it would switch off or become quiet when slowing down. i would think even when stopped the battery would need to cool off if it is hot.
    I always have the cabin set to a cool yet comfortable temperature as from what i understand the outside temperature shouldn't affect battery temperature directly if the cabin is cooled by the ac. does that sound right or are other factors at play? :confused:
     
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    I would not think the noise that you are hearing is the battery fan if it switches on and off with speed. Once the battery fan comes on it will stay on until you shut the car off most likely. The heat in the battery will continue to climb even after the car shuts off unless the fan can run long enough to bring the battery temps back down.

    Hilly driving can cause the battery temperature to rise due to the "heat pump" nature of continually pushing amps out to the MG and then back in to the battery on regen. This is a lot like stop and go driving.

    Outside temps will only affect the starting point of the battery temps. Once you start driving and have the cabin cool then you are correct that the battery cooling comes from the cabin.

    If you have a ScanGauge or other OBD2 device compatible with the Prius you can monitor the battery temps, cooling fan speeds, etc. and see how these work.
     
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    Correct if the fan is at high speed. I did notice the same effect as OP with low fan speed if one listens carefully in quiet car. I will try to confirm that with Torque when temps get warmer.
     
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    Does this battery fan have a vent to the outside? does it suck in air or blow it outside? perhaps the extra noise i'm hearing is the fan blowing air through the vent opening and at higher speeds i hear some extra wind/road noise through the vent to the outside?
    As for the hilly driving, its all very new to me, I just moved to the coast less than a month ago from the flatlands of edmonton so hills and city driving are all a new to me and my v. I suspect I'll have to get used to this new noise. :)
     
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    Whether low speed or high speed the fan should not switch off once it comes on unless it has time to run for quite some time to get the battery temp back down. What I have observed with ScanGauge is that the temp of the battery will continue to rise if you are in a hilly environment or in stop and go traffic. If you drive for a period of time on level ground the fan may be able to eventually lower the battery temp below the cutoff point.

    I guess you could get just to the point of the fan turning on at low speed and then run on level ground enough for it to switch back off after a period of time. But this will still take a period of time since the battery temp changes rather slowly, especially when coming down.

    Check it with your Torque if you get in a lot of stop and go traffic or you are driving over hills.
     
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    The battery fan pulls the air from the cabin, through the battery case and then exhausts it outside of the car.

    I live on the flatlands of the coast so do not see many hills. I see a lot of city stop and go driving on my commute home in the afternoon. With afternoon rush hour traffic and a lot of stop and go I can see the battery temps rise quite a bit before I get home. Once I get to 97F and the fan comes on, the battery temp will continue to rise and the fan speed will increase with temp.

    After parking the car and then going back out for dinner, I have seen the battery temp rise as much as 10F just sitting in the driveway.
     
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    I can see this being a problem here as the days get longer. My parking spot at home is outside and on the right side of the street facing west, so on a sunny day i'll be getting all that afternoon sun heating up the interior. Might have to get one of those sun shade things from the accessory shop.
     
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    Actually, in 3rd gen, the traction battery exhaust goes in the spare tire space and it's not directly ducted outside.
     
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    Getting used to the noise now as I hear it on a daily basis. It doesn't really "switch off" as i put it in the original post. Just changes pitch/sound level rapidly when coming to a stop. I can still hear it faintly while stopped(car still in ready mode).
    If it does exhaust through the spare tire well it would still technically be exhausting air outside as there are drain holes in the spare tire well so some air would be forced out of there, besides the vents in the rear hatch/trunk that encourage fresh air from the front vents to flow through the vehicle. So maybe what i'm hearing is a little extra wind noise from the outside as the fan is running forcing a little more airflow through the vehicle?

    Or maybe I'm just way overthinking all of this. :LOL:
     
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    Where do you get your facts man ?

    True, the battery fan exhausts to the tire space. Then it is directed to the 12V battery well by the plastic cargo storage container. There is a vent with rubber flappers to the outside on the other side of the battery.

    The purpose is to pull cabin air through the battery housing and then vent it outside.

    Check it out on your car !
     
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    The fan has six speeds and increases as temp increases. What you may be hearing is the fan changing speeds as you are stopping.

    See my response to friendly_jacek above about the venting to the outside.
     
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    Man, you have to improve your reading comprehension!

    I didn't say the air doesn't go outside eventually. I said it's not DIRECTLY DUCTED outside. I said that because the OP was starting to think he heard road noise through the fan duct.
     
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    Yes, and that's what I have been saying all along and you were saying no way up to this point.

    Unfortunately, my Torque monitoring did nothing today, as it's too cold to produce battery fan in my car. With my 10 mile commuting in mildly hilly terrain and mostly pulse and glide driving, the battery only goes up 10-15F over ambient and it's not enough to trigger the fan.
     
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    Ok well I heard the fan change speeds today while cruising on a flat section of road at 50kmh. It was loud for a few seconds then switched to a lower speed while driving along at the same speed. Seems my earlier experiences were merely coincidences that the fan speed changed as I happened to roll to a stop.
    It also could be a case of the electric motor pulling power from the battery for propulsion so requiring the fan to run for cooling, and when rolling to a stop at low speed, friction braking takes over completely giving the battery a break and chance to cool down, hence the switch to lower fan speed.
    All makes sense now, I understand its not road noise I'm hearing, just a cooling fan that at its highest speed can sound like a small airplane taking off :)
     
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    I'm surprised you're heating the battery so much in Vancouver. I live in south US and can only hear it sometimes in the mids of hot summer. What's your driving style?
     
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    What is it that I missed in my reading comprehension? You made it sound like the battery fan just exhausted in to the spare tire space and did not exhaust to the outside.

    You are correct that there is not a solid piece of duct to the outside vent but the air is routed to the outside air vent. It is possible to hear road noise from the outside vent through the battery fan duct. Others have reported hearing an increase in road noise coming from the rear seat vent when they suspected the battery fan coming on.
     
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    I actually live in north vancouver, much steeper/hilly than downtown or most of the lower mainland. my residence is 300 meters above sea level. 5 km down the road i am at sea level. Lots of stop lights in the middle of all these steep climbs and descents.

    As for my driving style, i try to drive smoothly anticipating stops, accelerating just below the pwr zone when possible to keep up with traffic.

    I'm pretty sure quick charging the battery to full bars with regen braking generates alot of heat. Often I notice after a long descent and full charge on the battery at a stop light the engine will keep running, though sometimes i can press ev button to make it shut off. Though as soon as i try to accelerate the ICE will start very early and override ev mode, i'm sure this is to protect the battery from heating even more by drawing power for propulsion. A minute or so later though all that extra juice comes in handy for powering the AC to cool the cabin or cruising around town in ev mode. I think my next car will have to be a plug in. I'd only need to charge it to 50%, the rest of the charge would come from my downhill descent to work every day. :)