I had thought that in the regenerative braking system that applying the brakes maybe caused some mechanism in or around the wheels to generate electricity. But is it less that braking is generating electricity and more that regerating electricity is resulting in braking or faster deceleration? I'm beginning to think "Regenerative Braking" is kind of a misnomer. Maybe "Regenerative Deceleration" is more accurate. I see now that all generated electricity for the system comes from the MG1 and MG2. Whenever pressure is removed from the accelerator the system starts generating electricity charging the HV battery. My question is, does the braking motion, pushing the brake peddle, have any effect on the charging system? How much, when, and how? Can you be accelerating and have a certain amount of pressure on the brake peddle that activates the MG's to generate power? I guess I need to find more detail on how and what each of the MG's do.
Yes, the braking pedal modulates the amount of power that is regenerated by the MG. There are a few factors, such as state of HV battery charge or speed, that determine how the regen vs. friction ratio is changed. You are right in that the regen system can not brake the car to a complete stop. It is inactive below 8 mph. If you can run the Prii_dash software (forum is here on PC) you can see how the the friction braking vs. kW of regen power can vary. (Do it while someone else is driving.)
Your Regenerative Deceleration is correct as well as the Regenerative Braking. If you take your foot off of the gas and decelerate the car will apply a small amount of regeneration to simulate engine drag of non-hybrid cars. As stated above the amount of pressure on the brake pedal will determine the magnitude of regenerative current used for deceleration or braking that is generated by MG2.
So it sounds like you area saying there is a varying amount of power generated depending on the amount of pressure on the brake peddle? I thought I read someone, maybe from Patrick, that the level of charge, the amps produced, by the MG is a constant level. It is either charging or it's not. Maybe I'm confused.
Yes. The level of current generated by MG2 varies. I've seen some peaks of 80A when pressing hard on the brake pedal, and it goes all the way down to zero at low speeds.
+1 All you have to do is watch the HSI screen in the regen region to the far left and watch it vary as you apply brake pressure. Also watch it as you approach a stop. The regen from MG2 is rarely ever constant.
Think of it this way, when all is well, you are pushing against a brake pedal simulator. When you push the brake pedal it feels like a normal braking system to you. In reality, the car is watching what your foot is doing and deciding between and how much regenerative braking and/or thermal braking to apply. When a problem arises, the system turns into a conventional system without power assist, just like cars in the olden days. Avi
I don't think I understand. I haven't seen any regen display on the MFD. Is there a view I haven't seen yet on my 05? How do I get to it. I couldn't find anything about it for the Gen2.
I have felt different sensations in the braking process but didn't know exactly what they were. It's starting to make more sense now I think. Is there an article or white paper on this somewhere? I haven't been able to locate one yet.
Sorry, my mistake. The OP will need a ScanGaugeII or other device to see the regen current flow then.
I am sure we all make this sort of mistake when we move into another forum than our own vehicle, I know I have. John (Britprius)
So, there is a varying amount of electricity generated depending on the level of the peddle within the range of motion. Light peddle application allows a little power generation and further peddle application allows more power generation, also depending on other factors processed by the computer.? So it is possible to maintain speed with the accelerator peddle while generating power with the slightly depressed brake peddle? Not that I think that would be a good practice, just saying, for a better understanding of the capabilities.