PiP/Volt January 7-11 Switcheroo

I've noticed the same thing regarding charging consumption. I am assuming that in the summer there is about 500 watthours used to chill the battery during charging that isn't needed during the winter temperatures.

I have also found that I get significantly more EV range when starting with slightly warmed batteries, ie right after charging.

 

Did you charge on sunday? I find letting it sit for the weekend results in a reduced charge on monday unless I precondition. I think the battery is colder in the AM, and my battery logs so its at a lower overall SOC.. if I just unplug and replug it will charge for 20min or so.

 

My 42" LED just got for Christmas also said do not lay flat.

 

You guys must have bought one of those Asian models or something. Mine was designed and manufactured in America.

 

yup, just like the PIP's we bought

 

Yep!

 

Austingreen did the calculation here. I have not checked his math.

PiP is not a perfect plugin for everyone and I have never claimed that. You seem so worked up with misunderstanding of my position. It is a cleaner plugin for most people while providing a midsize interior and cargo.

See the states where PiP is cleaner than Volt.

Yes, there are 13 states where PiP emission is slightly more than a regular 50 MPG Prius. There are 32 states where a regular Prius emit less than the Volt.

I mentioned the charge time whenever someone brought up the EV range, with the more the better mentality. EV miles don't magically appear. It takes time to charge it, especially when Volt can blow that away in 15 minutes of driving.

There is a penalty for not charging with the Volt (37 MPG with premium gas). PiP has none since it still gets 50 MPG on regular gas. We saw that penalty effect with devprius not being able to charge it at work one time. Plugin is like an umbilical cord for the Volt due to EV biased design. For PiP with a balanced design, it is an opportunity.

The battery life is another issue. The longer it sits with higher SOC, the faster the battery is going to degrade, especially in hot temp. PiP can stay at lower SOC for those time when charging is not required.

So, Volt is a better car for you. You are the exception rather than the rule. In general, PiP is cleaner, more efficient (both fuels), provide more interior and cost less to purchase.

 

The reason is simple. He drove his Volt within PiP's EV capabilities. Those are the conditions where using electricity makes sense. PiP choose fuels based on the driving conditions. Volt chooses base on the range. They are two different animals.

You can drive Volt at 100 mph with electricity. In that case, it wouldn't make sense from the emission, cost of battery or the charging time perspective.

 

The point I was making ,without trying not seem confrontational (as I am sensitive to the fact the the mods moved this thread to PiP from the Volt forum), is that that the Ev efficiency of both vehichles was about the same. That is contradicting people like you claim that claim the PiP is more efficient in EV. This data strong shows, that your claim that the PiP is really more efficient in EV, showing it is not consistent with our first peice of direct comparison with real-world data.

From an emissions point of the, the Volt at 100mph on EV still makes sense (well as much sense as anyone driving 100mph) from an emission Point-of-view -- unless you have data to suggest the losses in the Volt increase more rapidly with speed than an ICE-based car's losses as a function of speed. In fact I would expect the EV mode has increasing relative efficiency as a function of speed, as the ICE-based cars will quickly leave their ideal BSFC region, but the EV drop in efficiency is very small. Charge time and the battery cost are not related to speed of travel -- once again you are spewing FUD.

 

So Jeff, based on your first hand experience, which of the two plugin vehicles consumes the least amount of gasoline for your weekly commute?

Next question would be which of the two has the least operating cost for the weekly commute?

 

USB, your data is all highly dependent upon driving distance, is it not?
Also, your graph doesn't show how many emmissions a Volt or PiP emit. It shows ow much they would have emitted in 2010, right?

To really make a good decision, based solely on GHGs, a potential buyer needs to know:
How much the PiP emits when running on electricity in their local.
How much the PiP emits when running on gas in their local.
How much the Volt emits when running on electricity in their local.
How much the Volt emits when running on gas in their local.
How often the driver would drive beyond the EV range of the respective cars.

 

That should be "How much the ... emits when running on the electricity they generate or purchase."

Many people have the option to purchase renewables or install generation and when you can efficiently use 400kWh a month the economics further align with the eco-nomics.