New Man on the Block Needing some Prius Information

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I was trying to be helpful. Others (who might've been otherwise helpful) may not be so willing to sift thru whacked posts and will simply skip them.

BTW, this is a copy of that still works of the old Prius Family ad that many disliked and found creepy.

Back then Prius c was still a concept and not introduced yet. And the Plug-in Prius (PiP) shown in the ad were the demo/test vehicles that were never sold as a product.

I like the new hum ad a LOT better.

 

I think the Habitent is only for the "regular" style Prius which would include the PiP being the exact same body style. The C is too small to sleep in the back comfortably. My wife and I geocache into remote areas and are looking into our camping options with our 2012 Prius Three. There are a good many PiP's still in the Washington, DC area from what I have seen. If you need to come here to make a deal on one, let me know if I can be of help.

 

Look at your post (#4). Look at it as someone who hadn't written it. Tell me how much text is unnecessary there and the work that it takes to sift what YOU wrote vs. the stuff that you included but busted the quote. Is the "Read more:..." stuff necessary?

Do the same with post #13. Once you've figured that out, go back and remove the unnecessary cruft that leads to poor readability.

Why is the PiP out of the question from an interior room and sleeping in the back area perspective? It is no different than the regular Prius (aka liftback) other than it has virtually no storage underneath the rear cargo shelf. That area is occupied by the larger battery instead of an empty area for some items. If you ignore that, the cargo room is no different. PiP also comes w/no spare tire.

The c is smallest. I think that should ruled out. The PiP and regular Prius (liftback) are in between. The v is the largest.

Within the individual trim levels of the c, liftback, PiP, v, there is no difference in interior room. A Prius c One has just as much/little room as a Prius c Four. A Prius (liftback) Two as the same amount of interior room as a Prius (liftback) Five, etc.

Besides looking at the specs on Toyota's web site for each of the 4 members, also look at the specs tab of Compare Side-by-Side.

Danny (world famous founder of Priuschat) posted 2012 Toyota Prius v Video Review - Interior Cargo Space | PriusChat that gives you an idea of the room, the sliding rear seats, etc. of the Prius v wagon.

Instead of asking all these questions, why don't you visit a a Toyota dealer and ask to see, sit in, lay down, etc. inside each of the 4 (possibly 3) Prius family members? The PiP may be unavailable in your state. If you don't want to worry about sales pressure, tying up a salesman, there is 2013 Utah International Auto Expo - General Info but you have to wait for that.

 

Hey KoolerKT, what did you dislike about your SportWagen? Just curious.

One thing I have noticed about my Prius v wagon is that hill climbing really knocks the MPG down. I suppose I still get better mileage (35+MPG) than a similarly-sized car would in those conditions, but it's worth noting that you probably will not see the amazing fuel economy that the flatlanders rave about

Also wanted to clear one possible misconception - the plug-in Prius is not "all-electric" like a Nissan Leaf, so you don't have to worry about always having a place to plug in. When the electric-only range is exhausted, it basically becomes a normal Prius.

 

It's all about how you approach those hills. I get excellent fuel economy and my commute looks like this.

 

Kooler, all the models you mentioned that looked like '5 dr HB #' are really all the same model with different options. It stands for '5 door HatchBack trim level #'.
Being 6'4" I would definitely recommend the standard liftback. The trim level you choose is personal preference.

I would highly recommend visiting a dealer and see how well the back works for sleeping. Heck, bring a sleeping bag

It sounds like you take long trips frequently. If this is the case, the PiP would probably not be worthwhile unless the hov lane pass is worth it to you.

 

The ZVW30 is aka "regular" Prius is aka Prius liftback (as Toyota wants to call it). That was the ONLY model of Prius that existed for the 2010-2011 model year. It has models/trim levels (generally available to consumers) Two thru Five + some other variants new to '13 like Persona series. This is it: The Toyota Prius Hybrid models and prices.

The Plug-in Prius aka PiP aka ZVW35 is the same inside and out basically, other than the lack of space under the rear cargo shelf. It has a bigger lithium-ion battery instead of a smaller NiMH battery and CAN be plugged in. 2013 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid is it. It has only two trims: base and Advanced. See 2013 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid Models and Prices. You may not be able to get it in your state.

Prius c (aka NHP10) is the smallest and is at The Toyota Prius c models and prices. There are models/trims One thru Four.

Prius v wagon (aka ZVW41) is the largest and is at Toyota Prius v - 2013 models and prices. It has models/trims Two thu Five.

The bolded part is correct. Once you run down the lithium ion battery, it doesn't matter, as long as you have gas. Basically, once you deplete the battery far enough that you're no longer in EV mode, it functions just like a regular Prius. This all may be moot as you may not be able to buy it in UT anyway.

The official EPA rated EV range of the PiP is 11 miles.

The Leaf does NOT have a 30 mile range. It is rated at 73 miles per the EPA. YMMV. The record holder we know of did 151 miles on his Leaf (My Nissan Leaf Forum • View topic - 100 Mile Club & 200 km Club, plus Longest Drive (unrefueled)) on a charge. If you drive on the highway at say 70+ mph on a Leaf, you will NOT achieve 73 miles.

Nissan LEAF® Range, Electric Vehicle Range Calculator - Nissan USA goes over examples of range you might get, if you click on the colored scenarios.

In order of descending amounts of total room:
Prius v wagon (ZVW41, largest)
Prius liftback (aka regular Prius aka ZVW30)
PiP (aka ZVW35, no less room than ZVW30 other than the lack of under shelf storage)
Prius c (smallest, by far)

Why do you keep asking questions instead of visiting a Toyota dealer? Are you ignoring my links? Didn't you look at the passenger and luggage volume figures at the fueleconomy.gov link I posted? I hope you realize the blue text are clickable links.

 

Wow, thanks for the feedback on the Sportwagen. I had considered it, but I still have some concerns about VW reliability. Also around here diesel tends to cost about the same as premium unleaded which eats away at the fuel economy savings.

To kind of re-iterate what cwerdna said, don't worry about the trim levels 1,2,3,4,5 for now as they are simply options packages (similar to how the Sportwagen comes in S, SE and TDI packages). They have no bearing on the available interior space.

 

Are you only reading bits and pieces of our posts? First off, which "Toyota websites". Please give us URLs.

We've already told you a bunch of times that there is NO DIFFERENCE in interior room between the various trim levels of a given model. Prius (liftback aka regular Prius aka original aka ZVW30) One thru Five are all identical in interior and exterior dimensions. It doesn't matter. It will be both the "largest" and "smallest" for cargo area/sleeping.

I haven't watched this whole video but

has an overview of the '12 (regular) Prius trim levels (Two thru Five) and options on each.

The PiP (ZVW35) is no different in terms of interior room and only differs from the lack of storage under the rear cargo shelf and spare tire, that would normally be under that storage area. It won't make a difference for sleeping.

I don't understand why you aren't interested in the Prius v wagon if you're trying to "find the Prius with the most cargo area for sleeping". The Prius v wagon (regardless of trim level, Two thru Five) has more interior room than the regular Prius (aka ZVW30, liftback, etc.) That is the largest one. It also has a rear seats that can slide forward and back. Did you watch Danny's video?

Technically ALL of the members of the Prius family are hatchbacks.

I still don't understand why you don't go to a dealer and visit the links we've specified, such as the interior room numbers Compare Side-by-Side under the specs tab or compare the interior dimensions and measurements that can be found for each member of the Prius family (regular/original/liftback vs. PiP vs. v wagon vs. c)

 

If you want to both buy a prius AND haul stuff around and use your car as a tent buy two cars (1) a Prius C and for the 6 or 8 times eachyear you need it a 1990's vintage pickup truck. That truck will only cost you $1,500. Pay for thetruck And the gas it will burn with the money you saved by getting the Pius C over the Prius V.

Ok not an option? I doubt a 6 foot tall person could lay down flat and straight in the back of any Prius. My Prius C has 48 inches of space if I fold down the seats the hatchback has about 20 or 22 inches more. Are you close to 5 feet tall, then it might work. But really just get a foam pad and find some level ground. My "C" will hold two backpacks loaded with enogh d=gear for a week in winder with room to spare.

Buying two cars is not that expensive people spend more then the price of a truck simply going up two "trim levels" on a new car.

 

I haven't re-read all the responses, but I think most of your questions have already been answered.

You want the largest Prius (family member)? You buy a Prius v wagon (ZVW41), model Two thru Five, doesn't matter which model/trim level. See Toyota Prius v - 2013 models and prices. Not interested? Then, you aren't buying the Prius (family member) w/the largest cargo volume.

The Toyota Prius Hybrid models and prices Two thru Five (aka liftback, regular Prius, original, ZVW30, etc.) and 2013 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid Models and Prices (aka PiP, ZVW35) base and Advanced have identical interior volume except the latter has no storage under the rear cargo shelf other than a small amount mainly intended for the L1 EVSE (charging cord set). That won't make any difference for camping or sleeping. Again, the trim level (Two, Three, Four, Five; base, Advanced) make NO DIFFERENCE in terms of cargo volume.

The ZVW30 and ZVW35 are both smaller internally and externally than the ZVW41.

The Toyota Prius c models and prices (aka NHP10) is the smallest of all w/trim levels One thru Four. The trim level you get of the c makes NO DIFFERENCE in interior volume.

In terms of interior room:
ZVW41 > ZVW30 == zVW35 > NHP10
Prius v wagon > regular Prius == PiP > Prius c

Note: If you go to a salesman in the US asking for ZVW41, ZVW30, etc. they might be confused and no know what you're talking about. Best not to ask for those designations. If you look driver's door side sticker you will see such designations though (e.g. Prius Generation 3 ("gen 3&quot - Prius Wiki showing NHW20 and Prius Generation 3 ("gen 3&quot - Prius Wiki showing ZVW30).

I have owned my 06 Gen 2 Prius (only model that existed at the time, aka NHW20) since January 06. I've been a Prius enthusiast since then. I have been following all the Prius models as they've come out. I, Danny, most of the moderators and some 50 of us were even at the Gen 3 Prius (ZVW30) unveiling in January 09: PriusChat goes to Detroit for 2010 Prius debut | PriusChat.

 

Me arguing w/someone else? I think I'm done responding to your posts. I've spent a fair amount of time typing up each of my responses to your questions but it seems you aren't getting them (or not reading them thoroughly) nor that of the others.

 

There is only one person confused by English in this thread, what is your native tongue?

No one here is selling anything, we are trying vainly to help a very confused potential buyer. Here is why you should not buy a Prius: considering a Prius | PriusChat

 

Ok. Maybe the OP will read these Toyota press releases and see their verbiage.... but judging by how we've already explained this over and over, I'm not sure these much longer press releases will help.

Toyota | Toyota Announces Pricing for All-New 2012 Prius v and Prius Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles
Toyota | Toyota Announces Prices for 2012 RAV4 Compact SUV and Prius Liftback
Toyota | Toyota Announces Pricing for 2012 Prius c

Again, the above lines in blue (just like most other blue text on Priuschat) are clickable links.

From the 1st link: