doubled ev range less then $2500 no car modifications

How about some pictures pretty please!

 

novasolar, your first post said you couldn't find a plug and made your own. that would indicate a fixed location charging station. your writing style is a bit challenging to follow so please don't take offense when someone doesn't understand your approach. it is easy for readers to conclude you are trying to sell snakeoil because of your writing style.

 

I did try to force charge as with the other generations, all it does is use what charge you have.

 

Curious why you think a volt is an extra 20K.. you've been listening to some odd people. List comparably equipted vehichles the Volt after tax credits is about 2K more than the PiP.
Here is what car and driver said

If you don't qualify for the credits the difference is larger but I don't think any setting could get to 20K difference.

For the 2K extra I'd much rather have an fully integrated system. (In my case the PiP is still for for sale in mystate and if it was the Volt would likely be net cheaper with the added state tax credit difference. )

 

They compared a strip down base prius to a 41K volt. Not really "comparable", but even then the differeince includeing all the insurance assumptions and other things is only $11,600, not that close to 20K.

And if you are starting from a base Prius, then you did not double he eletric EV range, as the base prius has no real EV range, just hybrid range. If you double that you still have 0 EV range, just a longer hybrid range.

 

In case anyone missed this point, the article is comparing a 2011 Volt to a 2011 Prius. No Prius Plug-in in sight here.....

 

I am not sure if the suggestion about a gasoline powered generator was serious, but in any case, it would make absolutely no sense. The ICE in the PiP is an incredibly efficient gasoline engine. And you don't even want to think about the emissions from that two-stroke generator engine.

 

Can you use imgur: the simple image sharer and upload the images please? Thanks!

 

Here are the pics Novasolar sent me to share:

 

wow, that's pretty amazing..very elegant solution.. any engineer on here want to chime in on the safety and viability of this?

Links to the equipment he mentioned earlier:

• Amazon.com: Automatic Switch Mode 80 Amp Battery Charger 12 Volt: Car Electronics
• Amazon.com: Tiger Claw 1500W Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter DC-AC 1500 Watt 3000 Watt Peak: Musical Instruments
• MK Battery 8A8DLTP-DEKA - 12 Volt 250 Amp Hour Sealed AGM Battery

 

Don't bother Jack, just go to the Enginer website; it's already a product:
Enginer Portable Power Station | Enginer | Prius Plugin PHEV Conversion Kit with Lithium-Ion | Hybrid

I was considering that or something like a uninterruptible power supply, but I haven't found either to be compelling enough.

 

That's an pretty big exaggeration. It costs 40% more, but is a self-contained system and appears to be smaller. If the tax credit is legit, it's only $300 more or 12% more. A far cry from twice the price.

Anyhow, I like the idea, but for me all of these systems are too big which sacrifices too much space when the system is in the car. And they are too heavy, making it difficult to remove when you need all the cargo space. I'm hoping someone will design a system that doesn't require a DC/DC converter, inverter, or battery charger and using high energy density batteries making the system as small as possible.

 

Well, not quite. Adding up the AGM solution gets $2500. The Enginer is $3500. For the extra $1000 you get Li vs. AGM, which shaves about 400 lbs off the kit. You also get a smaller integrated solution in a box with a warranty. As i said before, I think the main concern with AGMs will be lifespan. They can last 10 yrs in a solar application. In EVs they typically only last 1-2 yrs. If the Li lasts twice that long it would be $500 cheaper from a cost of ownership perspective.

Anyway, I applaud the idea. Nice out of the box thinking. Not as sure about using it at home with solar (why not just use solar->gridtie inverter->AC->standard charger?), but for a remote recharge its a pretty cool / cost effective solution. For people with the right kind of commute cycle, this would probably give superior results to the standard Enginer kit at the same lower cost. It may even rival the performance of the significantly more expensive PIS kit.

Rob