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Reviving my 2001 PRIUS

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    p1437.. another wonderful code...
    i just got p1437 recently... i cleared the code and it came back after a while... i read the service manual and step one was to look at the vacuum lines... i noticed that the bracket itself was broken ... i am thinking since the bracket itself is broken the ground is broken making the vacuum sensor read incorrectly... i haven't had a chance in testing this theory and... now that i see it...it might just be it... i might be getting a parts prius this coming month for about 2k and test this theory out... or just JB weld the bracket together and replace it...
     
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    Isnt that a pedal issue?
    replace sensor only in 2001 pedal? | PriusChat

    You can stick ohm meter with small alligator clips on the dual potentiometers down there.

    If you search the forums for the whisker problem, it might be worth trying to just slap a 9V across the wiper and one side the VC pin to burn up any whiskers. 9V across that much resistance for a moment won't be more than a few milliamps which is all that is needed to burn whiskers, so alligator clips hook to 9V, move pedal a few times apply to second wiper.
     
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    Which bracket? This one. That vacuum sensor in the picture is for HCAC. I believe the other vacuum sensor is same MAP type and uses three pin connector, VC, gnd, and signal. So probably not a ground issue (is it 2 wire?)
     
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    yep thats the bracket..
    and i have to go and check it out and see if its a 3 wire or not.. but im pretty sure its a 3 wire connector..
    ill check the wiring diagram and see if it gets the same ground from the block or somewhere else..
    i am thinking that this is the case because ATV's have a very similar ignition system.. they grab their ground from the block ground and if the bracket is rusted or "cracked" it wont get the needed spark to actuate.
    i really need to learn how to upload pics and stuff like that to better show my stuff..

    ??... i pulled out my handy dandy 2001 prius service manual (rmu778u1) vol 1.. and
    DTC p1437 : Vacuum line malfunction. pg DI135
    step one was to check the vacuum hoses and tube between intake manifold and actuator.
    there i noticed that the bracket was broken..

    i dont think it matters but temps were easily over 100's the last few days.. so maybe .. JUST maybe it had a little to do with that..
    off for a 5 day weekend... well see what i can do ...
     
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    If you read that entire thread, that bracket and all that vacuum stuff is for the HCAC (flow valve in exhaust). It is 3 wire, I just told you what the three wires are and what the sensor is for, that vacuum sensor is on the other side of a check valve and a vacuum switch (VSV). It would only throw a P1436 code and there is no ground in that bracket, all the sensors have all the wires they need. There is another vacuum sensor for other vacuum problems that code might throw.

    I would examine the pedal first, as that is most likely. There are other air lines connected to the throttle body, so there might be a leak, but that bracket and HCAC stuff is not involved... Did you check under the car to see if the vacuum line came off the HCAC diaphragm actuator?
     
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    Accelerator pedal (Gen 1) | PriusChat

    thanks joe!



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    my readings were
    1/5
    OPEN .468 kΩ
    CLOSED 2.028kΩ
    2/3
    OPEN .938kΩ
    CLOSED 2.452kΩ
    1/4
    2.879kΩ fixed
    3/6
    2.809kΩ fixed

    If i am not mistaken the pedal is good then?
     
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    The problem is the resistance changes. So if you put the accelerator in a fixture so you can change the angle, plot the resistance changes. If bad, the resistance will drift at each angular offset. Doug Schafer used a 9V battery and a small speaker to hear the problem.

    There are three solutions:
    • $500 accelerator replacement - a Toyota part, expensive but available. Possibly cheaper from salvage
    • Rebuild accelerator - using a Dremel tool, remove the cover; clean the contacts and surfaces, and; reassemble using JB Weld or equivalent epoxy.
    • Burn-out whiskers (experimental) - use a 12V wall-wart to burn-out any tin whiskers. Experimental because I was able to verify the resistance characteristics changed. However, I sent my inventory to some other folks who are testing the tin whisker hypothesis with more precise instrumentation.
    Bob Wilson
     
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    I believe a 9V alone just placed across the wiper (pin 5 +9V to - on pin 1) and moving the pedal will do it.

    18 mA to 3.6mA and all under 1/4watt. Mostly just for the convenience. 9V can put out enough current to do the job.
     
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    I can never find a good 9V battery so I tend to use wal-warts. <grins>

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    Actually your pedal is probably ok unless it reacts funny when driving.

    P1437 is probably vacuum related, not sure why google failed there and brought up the pedal thread. Did you check the hose connected to the valve on the exhaust? You can also rent a hand brake pump from an auto parts place and draw a vacuum on the hose and see if it holds (at least for the HCAC line)
     
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    http://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/training/800/vactit.jpg

    actually no it seems fine.. pedal as i recall was replaced during a recall a around 2008 or so..

    but i went inand checked the codes again doing a health check again and i got more codes?

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    p0440-Evaporative Emission Control System Malfunction
    p0441-Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow
    p0446-Evaporative Emission Control System Vent Control Malfunction
    p1437-Vacuum Line Malfunction

    p3000-HV Battery Malfunction
    b2799 -Immobilizer Malfunction

    p3009

    augh... and im sure it was b2799 that wouldnt let me start yesterday... it took me a few tries to take out my key and then start it again.. then it didnt happen again..