2012 Prius Plug-In Window Sticker

The Volt would be classified as midsize if it had 110 cubic feet of interior and luggage space like the Chevrolet Cruze instead the 108 cubic feet that it has. The Volt has the largest interior size possible to still be rated as a compact car.

I can't image the impact of adding those 2 cubic feet would be very significant but it would eliminate one of your anti-Volt memes.

 

That is a fair question, and I think really the sticking point for different points of view in this discussion.

If your emphasis is on cost 45 kwhs used to cost me $5.40 (before the PV), and gas costs around $3.40 a gallon here so 1.75 gallon is about $6, so its close until you think about the electricity I got at work and the courthouse is free to me (balanced with the premium gallons I buy cost a little more).

You know the emissions numbers better than I for the average grid, but I still believe the fact that I produce more emission free electricity than I consumes makes me carbon neutral on the electric driving.

For an overall efficiency point of view (within the car) EPA says 1 gallon of gas is equivalent to 34 kwh, so 1.75 gallons would be 59.5 kwh equivalent, so neglecting upstream efficiency (which I still don't really get) the Volt seems more efficient.

For me the main goal is to use less petroleum for a whole host of personal reasons including defense, terrorism, hatred for oil subsidies, energy independence, conservation of non-renewable resources, etc... So in my particular case I find it is worth the trade in my personal opinion. Thats not to say one is better than the other in any empirical sense, or for any particular person who is not me, only what my preference is (I also enjoy the driving experience in full EV very much).

 

Not going to let Volt off here .... the chassis kinda sucks. Reminds me of my Accord Coupe - cramped back seat. Actually worse in Volt. Let's say the 2 doors is offset by the lack of 5 seatbelts. But one could say Volt's fun to drive nature offsets Prius more practical chassis, except majority want practical.

 

Let's slay this dragon. The prius c does not use less gas than the prius. The smart two four uses more gas than the larger cars. Making the prius c smaller and lighter didn't really ad much to its highway mileage

If fishes had feather would they be able to fly? I don't think so.

 

Mostly my rates are below EPA, and my driving more efficient and I'm doing more EV than the EPA expects.

Off-peak rate is .049 mid-peak is .09 + tax/wind-surcharge etc..
My average net (including taxes and such) is about .06-.07 (the fixed allocation of costs depends on total power usage, so per kw is higher if I don't use as much power).

I'm averaging 3.22 miles per kw on EV or 31.04kw/100m (compared to 36 EPA) and about 92.4% EV mode. (Epa uses 64%)


voltstats.net has lots of interesting data on hundreds of volts.. but is not yet showing kwh

 

You have a point where, there is a ceiling how high MPG can go in the subcompact and mini territory. However, no such example exists (that I know of) between compact and midsize.

My point still holds for the price and size difference. The interior volume between Volt and Prius PHV is 8 cubic feet, not 2.

 

Consider the price difference between premium and regular gas as well.

Per EPA label, annual cost of both plugins are exactly the same. I think your daily miles are much higher than average. According to Voltstats.net, average daily mileage is 25 miles. That's 10 miles under-utilized.

Volt owner data is making Prius PHV look good with multiple recharges daily.

 

All EPA testing is done using premium.

Not the average daily miles is 25 because many of us only drive 5 days per week (with just a little driving on weekends). My commute is 34-38 (or more with errands). My average is only 24 beacuse I don't drive much on weekends.

So for many drivers the average is probably 25*7/5 = 35.

But yes you can see the actual miles are all over the place.

 

How about you guys start your own Volt/Prius thread and talk about the Volt and Prius for however long you want and keep threads on topic.:bored:

 

I made reference to the premium vs. regular difference, but we can look at the numbers.

That week for me would use 1.1 gallons of premium which costs me $3.80 a gallon for $4.18, it would take 2.85 gallons in a Pip of regular which costs here $3.40 a gallon for $9.69. So the Pip would burn $5.51 more in gas and the Volt $5.40 more electric than the Pip (about a wash as I alluded to). However note nearly half of my electric is free (but may not always be), and what isn't I make on my own at home.

I can't speak to average I can only speak to me.

I agree the Prius PHV looks like a good choice for a lot of people, its a very nice car.

The point of this last series of posts was to demonstrate that in real world driving the ability to "fully" recharge the battery isn't a significant bonus feature of the Pip compared to partially filling the Volt at the same opportunities.

 

The discussion drifted into ways to interpret and compare the data on the sticker. What else could you possibly want to say about the sticker itself?

 

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I like the layout of the new sticker. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know the EPA spend hundres of thousands of dollars with multiple focus groups to ensure the new stickers could simplify the data so everyone know exactly what it means with the need for discussion.

 

Yes they have, and it's 49MPG highway:
2012 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid
Then click [3] next to the 50 est. hybrid mode mpg.

I am average height and I have sat in both the front and back of the Volt. While the front is fine, the back is cramped for leg space. The back of a Prius is very roomy for leg space. That's not to say the Gen 3 Prius has no faults as I find the front feels smaller than the Gen 2. How the space is used is as or more important than the amount of space.

 

speaking of being on topic, no one addressed my post about the fact that the EPA site still doesn't have this sticker. and how this is somehow toyota's doing and intentional hiding.

 

Government efficiency. Good thing they don't put out stickers on that.
Since we've seen the sticker and its manufacturer data nothing to see there. But the EPA site may also have the tie into the e-grid data for comparison and also have the mix-mode MPGe.

 

Well yes it is. There is a time delay between when a manufacturer gives the epa a number, and they bless it and put it on their site. Since toyota gave the epa the numbers only recently it is not up yet. I don't think it is a conspiracy, but it is because of how toyota handled things not the epa. If the epa flags the prius phv they will test it themselves in the lab, for most cars the epa takes the word of the manufacturer to do the tests properly.

 

hey guys, i was being sarcastic in response to earlier posts in this thread that wanted to portray toyota as supposedly hiding something while gm was being super-transparent. i was making fun of that sentiment. so don't get all in arms about my suggesting some sort of conspiracy when i'm actually mocking it, lol.

i think it does matter that the info isn't up, this is a crappy buyer experience, they have a barcode that you can scan with your phone to get more info and a customized fuel cost, etc (this is really great because you can plug in your own yearly mileage, gas costs, and % of highway/city to then get a custom fuel economy and fuel cost calculation), and instead of getting a real page you get a 404. Seriously? a 404?

 

Well surprise surprise the first real world numbers are coming in, and it looks like the EV driving range, is coming in at 12 to 14 miles so far. Closer to Toyota’s 15 then the EPAs 11 blended and 6 pure EV. Time will tell but it’s looking good.