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Is it necessary to get new shocks and coilovers when installing lowering springs?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by LulzChicken, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. LulzChicken

    LulzChicken Prius Enthusiast

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    Is it necessary to get new shocks/coilovers when installing lowering springs? (and other concerns)

    Hey guys, I just got an early Christmas present. My cousin who has a 2011 Prius II had the 5axis kit on their car that included the body kit, rims, wheels, and lowering springs. The springs lowered their car too much for their liking, so they put back on the stock springs and gave the aftermarket ones to me. I would like to put these on my car, but the question is: Can I simply replace the springs, or do I need to replace the shocks and get coilovers as well? I've heard simply replacing the springs alone can cause the shocks to wear pre-maturely, increased ride harshness, uneven tire wear, tires to slump inward, and more. Apparently the proper way is to replace the shocks and the springs together. I guess there are a lot of variables, and I've tried to do some research - but if anyone can chime in with comments and whatnot that would be great. Thank you!

    The specific springs I have are:
    Tein Tech
    Part: High Tech
    Model: ZVW30
    Part No. SKQO8-G1B00

    One last thing - can anyone tell me how much these specific springs would lower the car and if they would fit properly on my 2010 Prius II? I assume they would fit fine, but just making sure. Thank you! :)

    Last question: Do you think it's worth it? I'd probably have the dealer install them, and that will probably cost ~150, and if I don't like them I'd have to pay that again to get the originals put back on. I don't think I really need to lower the car any more than it is already, but I have the springs in my hand so it's tempting. By the way, if anyone wants them - I'll sell them to you.

    From looking at this thread it seems like there is a lot of room for error while having someone install these for me. Not sure if it's worth the troubles that may come with this down the road. Input is appreciated.

    Better yet, is anyone around or near my location (Huntsville, AL) who has put them in a car before and would be willing to install them on mine? $
     
  2. macmaster05

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    I'll start backwards;

    $150 is a great price for spring installation. It is what I paid for my install but it took me a long time to find a shop. Most shops will try to charge at least $300.

    Your springs will lower the car about 1.5" which is a common height for springs but is quite a significant drop.

    Now onto your main question: You don't always need new shocks when replacing the springs. Really the only reason people change shocks and springs at the same time is because it saves them time/money since their suspension is completely apart anyways for the spring installation. Personally, I didn't get new shocks when I added my springs because my car only had 20,000 miles at the time, so my shocks were relatively new. If I was at 70,000 miles, when shocks begin to show wear, it may have been a different case.

    There's no reason to get worried that your shocks will wear out faster due to a shorter spring distance travelled. The way you drive determines shock wear the most. Hard and fast will always age your shocks faster whether you have lowering springs or not. But if you drive normally, you'll be fine.

    It's totally worth it. Next to new rims and tires, it's the greatest suspension modification you can make. It handles like a different car. However, just FYI if it matters to you, 95% of people won't be able to tell you've lowered the car. That's just the way it is with the Prius. It sits high and even after replacing the springs, it's still a bit high.
     
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  3. SuperchargedMR2

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    You'll never get a Toyota dealer to install them for $150. Learn about your car & do it yourself. It's not that hard & you can rent a spring compressor for free from most auto parts stores. :)
     
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  4. Dark_matter_doesn't

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    Seconded, plus there are good instructions to be found on this forum. The rears are very straightforward, and the fronts are somewhat less so but still doable.

    Along with a spring compressor, you'll also need a 200 ft-lb torque wrench, as the lower front strut bolts need to be set at approx 160 ft lbs.
     
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    The springs you have are what I'm looking for. They're about $180 shipped normally. If you do sell them, how much shipped to Zip 11766?

    BTW, these are the specs:

    Fits: TOYOTA PRIUS 10+ ZVW30L
    Ride Height Front/Rear: -1.4/-1.5 inch
    Spring Rate Front/Rear: 135/168 lbs/in






    Part #: SKQ08-G1B00
     
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    Shock life depreciation aside, many prefer aftermarket shocks because the OEM struts do not work well with the stiffer spring rates. A poorly matched spring/shock combination can reduce handling and ride quality as well as introduce bump steer.

    That said, most of the subtle lowering springs ~.7-1.5", should be okay unless they are "race" inspired with a crazy spring rate.
     
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    Hey dude if you ever made a trip to fort Walton beach I could help you install them on base. It usually takes about three hours give or take. Ill be installing my Eibach springs Tuesday so pretty excited about that.
     
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    I agree and having replaced shocks with KYB's (same manufacturer as OEM's) found the gas pressure to be higher or quality better then the OEM's, now the springs rattle around a bit, 20-20 hindsite I wish I had installed the springs also.
    IMHO, shocks,springs, tires and 12v batteries are all just good enough to get the vehicle off the dealers lot when new and should be changed for safety and durability reasons.
     
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  9. LulzChicken

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    I just wanted to send a quick reply to everyone in this thread.
    I've been very busy traveling for the holidays, so I haven't been able to keep up with this thread very well. However, I do really really appreciate you guys replying to me with your suggestions, opinions, and even offers to help me get the springs installed. I have decided to just save myself the time, trouble, and money and go ahead and sell them to someone who would probably enjoy them more than I would. PM sent to you lpe350.

    Once again, thank you guys so much. Happy Holidays and I appreciate it.
     
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    I agree with Mac. Shocker right?

    In my case I had over 130k on the OEM struts were starting to fail so replacing them along with the failing OEM springs just seemed a no brainier. I couldn't be happier. I love the way the car drives now. Like others have stated, it feels like a totally different car now. It's much sportier feeling and looks much better.
     
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    I would recommend changing shocks with lowering springs. Just my 2 cents
     
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    My struts only have 12k miles on them so I just left them stock until they go out. I just installed my Eibach springs today. What options for struts does the Gen III even have yet? If any?
     
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    Spings installed already! Thanks for a great transaction.:D