But would you throw your hair dryer in the bath tub because you assume you could trust the GFCI to save you?!
Good discussion and very relevant. Hopefully the standards bodies have considered weather, elements, and thugs. Hopefully a car will wail like a banshee if unplugged or the cord is cut. Unfortunately we might hear about a stolen charge cord.
I have to ask, are you being paid to spread FUD, or is it a natural talent? You sound as if you think the engineers were all raised in the Atacama desert in Chile, so had never heard of rain. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_Desert[/ame] Instead of reading about the J1772 standard, you prefer to speculate wildly that no-one thought of how to safely charge a car battery. Why? Does some one have a gun pointed at you forcing you to buy a plug in car?
I'm sorry to have angered you so. I have my PiP ordered and I am very excited about getting it. I just want to be safe. I guess I ask to many questions sometimes (I question everything).
Marathon Man, Do you think that municipalities accross the Nation and the World would install EV chargers outside for the public to use if they were not safe?
Wow! I can't believe this... I am not a troll! But I won't post anything more. I'll just read comments from other people.
Relax. We want you to contribute. No high voltage transfers from the ESVE cable to the car until 5 to 10 seconds after you plug it in. And its weather sealed. When unplugging, you first depress a button which physically unlatches the connector AND kills power. I'm going to install an ESVE outdoors permanently at my home, probably on a pole. I might bolt the ESVE unit to the pole to prevent theft, but I have cameras on my house and insurance and a cocker spaniel/poodle attack dog.
Rebound: Thanks for your curtious response. I am convinced now that it is safe on the car connection side. I would still be a little worried about unplugging the charger from an outside outlet in the rain, but, I suppose, if the outside outlets weren't safe, they wouldn't be allowed to be installed on houses in the first place. High voltage just kind of scares me. Maybe I will just use rubber gloves to disconnect the charger from the outlet if it is raining outside. I can hardly wait to get started! Thanks for everyone's input. (And I apologize again to those who were angered by my tone or sarcasm in previous posts).
I wish that there was a font for sarcasm. If you really are that worried install a properly rated and protected disconnect inline before your charger. More than likely there will be a disconnect installed anyway you could use this a safety measure. Turn off the disconnect prior to plugging or unplugging your car. You could also leave the disconnect in the off position when you are not at home to mitigate the risk of someone being hurt by tampering with your charger.
That reminds me about the time I replied to someone about the safety of the chainsaw I wanted to use to cut down a really dangerous wet eucalyptus tree in my yard (something called a paper eucalyptus, it sheds and split and falls on cars and roofs) ... I said "here's my plan! I'm using boots, gloves, goggles, and then I am standing across the yard while my son cuts down the tree!!" I too wondered about the plug-cord being taken but I understand it locks on somehow? Or, will lock in place?
No one has seen the production EVSE that Toyota will be supplying with the PiP, so it's impossible to know if they have the J-1772 handle with a locking mechanism supplied. The Panasonic unit that comes with the Leaf does have the ability to use a small padlock to lock the handle to the J-1772 inlet, time will tell this story.
I think that Toyota would be embarrassed to supply the first PiP they sell with something of lower quality that what the leaf gets. I'd really like to have two of the standard charger cords (one at home and one for the road) but all of my money will be going to the car (and I think that I'd rather spend that extra money, if I had it, on a 240V fast-charge version installation for my home). [my future 240V charger cord will never be in the rain!]. Sarcasm!!!
Those looking for a second 120v Toyota charger might be surprised to find that its gonna cost pretty close to a 240v charger.
That's what I was afraid of... (I'll have to live with just one ) That will make them that much more desirable to steal and sell on EBay.
Checkout the Legrand Level 1 from Home Depot, $500 Tools & Hardware - Auto - Electric Car Chargers at The Home Depot