It's The Bible Quotes Thread!

I like your interpretation. I found this one which is just slightly different. I enjoy these studies as it pushes me to dig deeper into the Bible which I should do anyway. Thanks guys! :rockon:

 

God, I'm loving this thread.

It never ceases to amaze me how the deeply religious will pick and choose passeges from the bible to justify everything.

There are so many versions of the bible, which one is correct? New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. II: Basilica - Chambers | Christian Classics Ethereal Library

My understanding is the book is comprised of ancient scrolls that were gathered from quite a few sources. These, in turn, were translated by a multitude of organizations comprised of supposedly impartial scholars, and who knows who else that were employed by various religious and political groups, who, of course, had no ulterior motives. And, with all these translations, there has never been any disagreements between those groups who champion their translation.

A pretty poor foundation to base arguments with and to hold hostage a huge percentage of the world's population.

 

Guessing your not biased. Current or former Catholic? Just curious.

So, have you heard about the dead sea scrolls? Know about the book of Isaiah? Do a little research... just saying.

[edit] nice little faq on the scrolls.

 

Picking quotes does not consider the context...it was a group of noisy women - not all women.

That and translating from the original language can change the intended meaning.

 

Everybody cherry-picks their part of the bible to support their point of view, theists and atheists alike. There's a lot of low hanging fruit for both. Nothing new here. That's why I've never been really big on bible verse memorization. OK....you busted me.....so I'm lazy too.


How big a percentage are we Christians holding (hostage) these days, and in what way?

 

"But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father’s house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst."

 

"When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities that are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded."

 

"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands."

 

I don't claim that Pharaoh was a good man. I have read the passage more than once. After some plagues the text says that Pharaoh hardens his heart. After other plagues the text specifically says that the Lord hardens Pharaoh’s heart. For example, here is the 9th plague:

Exodus Chapter 10:
21Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand toward the sky, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even a darkness which may be felt." 22So Moses stretched out his hand toward the sky, and there was thick darkness in all the land of Egypt for three days. 23They did not see one another, nor did anyone rise from his place for three days, but all the sons of Israel had light in their dwellings. 24Then Pharaoh called to Moses, and said, "Go, serve the LORD; only let your flocks and your herds be detained. Even your little ones may go with you." 25But Moses said, "You must also let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice [them] to the LORD our God. 26"Therefore, our livestock too shall go with us; not a hoof shall be left behind, for we shall take some of them to serve the LORD our God. And until we arrive there, we ourselves do not know with what we shall serve the LORD." 27But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he was not willing to let them go.

The question of whether Pharaoh has free will or is under God’s control is only part of the story. You continue to ignore the more pressing question.

Is it moral for God to kill infants?

 

Good question, I'm guessing none. However, atheist in China and North Korea are holding a Billion+ hostage. Thanks for asking.

 

John 14

(NIV)

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.â€

Jesus the Way to the Father

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?â€
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.â€

 

Philippians 2:9-11

New International Version (NIV)


9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

 

Here is the whole context of the passage... puts this small portion in context...

Ephesians 5

(NiV)
1 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. 14 This is why it is said:
“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.â€
15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Instructions for Christian Households

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.†32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. :amen:

 

Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers increase. ...The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who do survive.
Frank Herbert, Dune

 

Passage Hebrews 13:8:
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

 

Just how does a God go about hardening a heart that for decades enslaved an entire nation, murdered infants and tortured them? How much more hardening was there to do?

As to the above questio let me point out that justice in those days was typically "an eye for an eye" most atheist will call this barbaric but that's because they don't study the meaning behind it or the capabilities of the justice system available at the time. FYI it's meaning in a legal sense is that you can't get more compensation for an injury than the cost of that injury.

First, Egyptians went throughout the enslaved Jewish community and killed all the "NEWBORN" children by throwing them into the Nile, i.e. newborn were all infants. God tried multiple times to persuade Pharaoh to free the enslaved nation of Israel but Pharaoh's heart was hardened, not by God but by his own stubbornness. God's entreaties through Moses and Aaron only solidified that hardness not because that was His intent but because of the hardness of the Pharaoh's heart. After many demonstrations of His power and entreaties God's only means of freeing His people came down to the killing of the "FIRSTBORN" of the Egyptian nation, many of those already adults and with many caveats to escape that punishment.

Not only had God given them plenty of chances to avoid this fate and escape the punishment for previous killing of all Israels "NEWBORN" but also, IIRC, the egyptians could have painted the blood of a lamb on the door of their homes and again escape this last plague. They didn't.

The egyptian "FIRSTBORN" died peacefully in their sleep, Israeli infants died in a horrible manner not only for the infants but the entire family that had to stand by and watch as the egyptians drowned the babies by throwing them into the Nile.

What would you have done? Remember God often works through and with humans even if He doesn't always like the things they do.

BTW: why are you relying on me to tell you what is moral? There are plenty of explanations' for this event all over the internet using Biblical reference that you can read for yourself. Grab a Bible, get on Google, look up opposing views. Nothing personal but I think you've taken the easy way out, as have I quite often, and looked at one side or one opinion and formed your own POV on this subject without considering all the facts and evidence. Don't do that, if you're a Freethinker like Stev0 claims to be you'll keep an open mind. God Bless . . .

 

Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits. When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them.
After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."

 

interestingly, that is not in any of my bibles. what version are you studying tom?