Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hybrid

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

Besides the obvious hybrid drivetrain, I would love to see the following changes to the 2012 Camry:

1. The 2AR-FE 2.5-liter I-4 engine get the Valvematic variable-timing valvetrain, which may bump the power of the 2AR-FE to 190 bhp with no fuel economy loss.

2. Improvements to the V-6 engine to add 1-2 mpg in both city and highway ratings on the EPA 2008 test cycle.

3. REAL sporty suspension tuning by Toyota Racing Development (TRD) for the Camry SE model.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

i've always assumed it's the way a particular setup performs on the epa test. my wife gets 35-45 in her 08 hycam and it's mostly short trips around town. mpg's seem mostly affected by weather. her average over 40,000 miles is 40 mpg. that's why i wonder if they'll change anything to improve on the test. it's all about marketing and buyers believe what they see on the sticker. also, i'm told the fusion is smaller? and can you buy the hyundai yet?

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

Also, according to that C&D article 90% are estimates and never tested.

The Fusion performs closer to the Camry's ratings from what I can gather and the Camry outperforms its ratings...I think they end up being nearly equal all things considered.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

These are the specs of the Camry hybrid since 2007, not 2012 EPA rating. The new car should do better than this.

BTW, posted by Spwolf in another thread, is another picture of the upcoming 2012 Toyota Camry from Portugal, but, the headlight teased by Mr. Toyoda is very different, I don't think it is the same car.

This maybe the hybrid version!


http://priuschat.com/forums/hybrid-ev-alt-fuel-news/95790-2012-jdm-camry-hybrid.html

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

I think you are right. There is a HSD badge on the front fender.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

According to the post, a 15% better mileage is promised over the HS 250h which is rated at 35 combined. That would put the Camry hybrid at 40.5. I have an '07 regular Camry until Prius PHV and I think 40mpg for such a large vehicle is great, closely in line with the Ford Fusion.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

I think it's the writer. He just copied / estimated FE numbers from the Gen 6's. I doubt seriously if he knows anything at all. Simply his personal speculations.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

apperantly US model will have differ headlights/tailights, but overall that is the hybrid, including interior.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

"2012 Toyota Camry in camouflage closer to revealing its face"

2012 Toyota Camry closer to revealing new look

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

doesn't look too different, does it?

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

Revealed: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid Caught Undisguised

More Photos!
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2011/07/revealed-2012-toyota-camry-hybrid-caught-undisguised.html

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

Hmmmm.....all I need now are interior pics!

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

Someone with good photoshop skill should PS away the pattern to reveal what the car really look like. If they can PS away Mr T's hair they can do the same for the patterns.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

If that's the production front end, I think it had to be the same design team as the 2011 Highlander Hybrid. I'm not real fond of the front end of either one.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

I don't know if relying on the Camry isn't a mistake by Toyota. Of course, almost every automaker needs or wants a mid-size, or large family sedan. But the product is so generic and dispersed, that competition is huge. The Camry has been a cornerstone, centerpiece for Toyota, but I think the 4 door family sedan is in decline.

I think we are entering a "specific" product for specific desires phase. Less, one car that blandly is a little bit of everything...such as most mid-size, large family sedans..and more, what do you want?

I'd like to see Toyota create unique products. Regardless of what styling of even mechanical changes get implemented, and they probably are necessary, it's hard to get too excited about another 4 door family sized sedan. You don't like the Camry? Go look at the Accord, Sonata, or even the slightly smaller vehicles that all look generically similar.

Don't get me wrong, a 4 door family sized vehicle such as the Camry is a unmoveable cornerstone. Toyota has to keep it fresh and viable. But I just feel a bit of the wave cresting in that market. I think we are moving into a place where people use specific vehicles for specific tasks. The somewhat generic "every car" as I think represented by Camry's, Accords, and almost uncountable others...has zenithed.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather see Prius c, Prius V..and other more specific and unique products.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

that's an interesting prediction, a real paradigm change in car buying if you're correct. i wonder if any automakers are going down that road? of course, most don't hold a decent piece of that market and have no choice.

 

Re: Akio Toyoda briefs dealers, says Toyota will rely heavily on redesigned 2012 Camry and Camry hyb

I could easily be wrong. And..also of course the family sized 4 door sedan isn't going to disappear tomorrow. It's a fundamental vehicle choice for a majority. So don't get me wrong. Competition for Camry has increased and improved, so Toyota IS correct in trying to keep pace to keep lead...

But I do speculate and "sense" kind of a shift. I think new car buyers are buying cars more specific to task. Sports car for fun, Family sized vehicle for family, economic vehicle for work and grocery getting...

And since I think of a 4 door family sedan as the generic "little bit of everything" vehicle...I don't know if it is on the rise...while I'd simultaneously admit that due to it's versatility it isn't going anywhere either.