For your information - I have found out on Quattroruote (italian magazine testing cars on their own track) the following fuel consumptions at constant speed, and a few other performance parameters, for the Prius with 15" tires, trim "Executive" ("P") and the Auris Hybrid with 215/45 R17 tires ("A") - as soon as the CT test comes out (they did it in April) I will add it - it is going to be interesting...: Weight of tested car: P: 1534kg - A: 1504kg Fuel consumption at 90km/h: P: 26,8km/L - 24,4km/L Fuel consumption at 100km/h: P: 23,4km/L - 21,3km/L Fuel consumption at 130km/h: P: 15,4km/L - 13,9km/L Fuel consumption at 150km/h: P: 11,7km/L - 10,6km/L Measured (declared) Cx: P: N/A (0,25) - A:0,326 (0,283) (clearly the Cx is playing a role for the Prius, even if weighing 30kg more - albeit using smaller 15" wheels) Max speed: P: 181,536km/h - A: 180,050km/h Speedometer error at 130km/h: P: 4,5% - A: 6,8% Acceleration 0-60km/h: P: 5s - A:4,9s Acceleration 0-100km/h: P: 11,3s - A:11,3s Acceleration 0-130km/h: P: 18,9s - A:19,2s Acceleration 0-160km/h: P: 30,6s - A:32,5s Acceleration 400m from a stop (exit speed): P: 18,0s (127km/h) - A:17,9s (125,9) Acceleration 1km from a stop (exit speed): P: 32,6s (164,1) - A:32,8s (161,0) Acceleration 70km/h-100km/h: P: 5,8s - A:5,7s Acceleration 70km/h-120km/h: P: 10,6s - A:10,5s 1km from 70km/h: P: 28,3s - A: 28,4s Essentially both cars behave the same with "minor" differences in fuel consumption. They also made a comparison of the Auris Hybrid and a few other similar cars in terms of fuel efficiency and using the same testing methodologies, they got the following average fuel consumption values (absolute values can be questionable, but relative deltas between the cars is what is really interesting here): Auris 1.6L 132HP: 10,9km/L Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1.4L Turbo 120HP: 10,9km/L Opel Astra 1.4L Turbo 140HP: 11,1km/L VW Golf 1.4L Turbo 122HP: 11,7km/L VW Gold 2.0L TDI 140HP: 16,5km/L (considered one of the best diesel on the (italian) market - as per Quattroruote.it comment) Auris Hybrid 136HP: 17km/L
Ok, so in 2010, Corolla outsold Civic 266k to 260k and in 2008 Corolla outsold Civic 351k to 339k ... so practicality wins over drivability (don't look at me ... C&D gives Civic 6 stars enthus, Corolla 2 stars) Si probably has a lot to do with that. They're really going to like the new Si. In my Accord Coupe, it doesn't appear to be the multi-link rear suspension that takes up trunk space, the shock towers jut into trunk space. I wonder how much the CT multi-link cuts into rear space. You didn't get it about the steering wheel being not centered. It's not easy to see, but once you see it, you'll wonder 'why the heck is the steering wheel not exactly centered in front of my seat?' I have no idea why not. I think it is the only car I've ever seen whose steering wheel is not centered about the seat. IOW, if you hold the wheel with both arms, your shoulders will be slightly canted to the left. Ugly Civic Rims .. O . K. Maybe you don't like them because they look quite a bit like the CT200h rims.
It is not about drivability or handling. Cars like the Prius or Corolla are commuter cars or cars that are efficient. People don't buy Prius or Corolla for its sportiness or sports car handling. I think that this is where Honda keep on making the mistake. Sure, there are Civics with coffee can exhaust and turbos...but they are far in between. Same goes for the Honda Ody...IRS takes up tons of space in that minivan, as compared to the Sienna. IRS is great in cars that need it. Prius, Corolla, etc. don't. Have you ever seen a fully loaded Honda Ody from behind?? Lets just say that it ain't pretty the way the tires squat outward!! I cringed everytime i see that...poor tires! As for the steering not centered, my old 1997 CRV had this "issue." It sold very well...and i never had any issue with it. You will be surprise at how many cars that have this oddity. Again, i doubt that Toyota or Honda made this without a good reason. BTW, i think that you have some OCD issues!! Geez, your obsession with 16" rims and this! Like someone said in the other thread, Prius 17" rims look great on the PRIUS because of the way the Prius is shaped. CT200h's rims look great...i love them on the CT. But, those Civic rims look ordinary...and would NOT look good on the Prius IMO.
Yup. Both are reliable and durable. But, when it comes to it, people who buy Corollas and Civics don't care about the tiny benefit of IRS around tight uneven corners. Hell, even Ford found a way to keep the Mustang around tight corners with solid axle in the rear...beating competitors with IRS!! IRS is not the end all to discussion. I agree that IRS is great in a sports car...but the Prius is not one.
LOL. I had a '97 CRV for 12 years. The 2010 Prius replaced it. Still going strong with a friend's daughter. I never noticed this on either car, or if I did, never thought anything of it.
Look at OP's blog and his statement regarding real world fuel consumption. Europe's fuel consumption test cycle does not reflect real world. Take a look at Side-by-Side Comparison for EPA rating of Prius vs Lexus CT200h ( combined 50 mpg vs 42 that is 4,704 l/100km vs 5,6 l/100km, city 51 vs 48 mph, hwy 48 vs 40 mpg -> here is the main difference caused by much lower Cx of Prius) that is much closer to the real world also according to real numbers recorded through fuelly.com, spritmonitor.de or others. Auris HSD is lighter, smaller, definitely not a family car ...
Great! right back to the same old boring dash layouts that other manufacturers have. I dont want to peer through the steering wheel to see instruments. Its faster, safer (that has been proved using line of sight analysing equipment) and looks better too putting the driver information in the middle of the dash. As for the floating bridge, the Prius is not a sports car and I for one don't want a narrow sport central console thank you. I like being seperated from the passenger with all the controls conveniently located near. It just makes more sense to me and is a bit more "Jaguar" like who have always had a clear seperating central console between driver and passenger. If everybody who buys cars is going to be so conservative with car interiors no real progress will ever be made and we will be stuck with the same dull analogue instruments grouped around the steering column for ever more. I chose a Prius partly because I liked the fact that it dared to be a bit different. You seem to want to go back to the same conventional interior as other cars. What's "prius" (meaning before or ahead) about that?
Ok, i did the "praying test" and reaching out my arms test today. The steering wheel is straight and centered. My arms are equal distance to the steering wheel. Wth is cycledrum talking about?!
Sir, you really need to read the full thread before posting. Someone else pipped you to the post and already drew my attention to the above EPA test figures. However, the figures I was quoting were based on the European test cycles. Under the Euro test the Ct200 gets 68 mpg, the Prius 72 mpg and the Auris HSD 74 mpg. So you can see the big difference between the US EPA test and Euro test cycles. (the mpg's quoted are UK mpg's using a bigger UK gallon of 4.5 litres compared to the US gallon at 3.7 liters). Perhaps aerodynamics doesn't make as much difference under the Euro testing proceedures?
It wouldn't account for much if they test at 45-55MPH (70-90km/h). At that speed difference btw 0.26 and 0.29 would only account for ~6%. It looks they are also not taking the acceleration/deceleration to the same extend as EPA and tests run w/o A/C? Otherwise it hard to explain the difference. UK Prius gets 60 USmpg, or 20% higher then US model. Yes US version has lower compression 13:1 vs 14:1 but that would only account for 1/3 of the difference, 7.6%
How much does the CT's IRS jut into its cargo space? I'd rather not try comparing a Honda product to Prius (have you seen how much the shock towers jut into cargo space on a Crosstour... a lot!) Oh, and about the wheel centered, you have to sight where your fingers are pointing - to center of wheel or not. Should be easier if you scoot seat forward. It would be he said she said on the internet, so no use with that here. I know what I see as compared to many other cars.
I don't know about Euro testing procedure but EPA test on a dyno. It doesn't take account of aero-drag. They later adjust the numbers based on certain formula.
