E30 gasoline

Just what we need the government forcing
more Ethanol down our throats.

Ethanol is not a panecea for alternative fuel.

Just do the math......

2 gallons of petroleum, in this case diesel, which
has about 135,000 BTU's per gallon is burned
to obtain one gallon of Ethanol, which comes from
corn, and it has about 65,000 BTU's.

Even though I went to Public School I can figure this one
out.

Oh, by the way, that corn is normally used to feed livestock
and you, so the price of food as gone up considerably. Next
time your at the supermarket take a good look at the prices compared to even a few months ago.

Enough said....

 

The OP lives in Canada. (I see no hint Canada is proposing E30 either, but I do not know enough to disparage his claim in Canada)

In the US, the EPA is trying to allow E15, but not mandating it. Ethanol makes a good Oxygenate and fuel cleaner, but corn based Ethanol makes a lousy fuel.

So far as I know, there is no plan to introduce E30 to the US.

Report: House votes 'overwhelmingly' to block E15 fuel — Autoblog

 

Actually you can still feed livestock from the mash after ethanol is made.

 

I was disparaging 'anti government' wackos who failed to notice your supposed article (no link) is not a plot by the US government at all, as you are not in the US.

 

Hi OP. I hope you don't get E30 in your area.

We have a choice of fuel here and I've done my own tests in each of the last 5 vehicles I've owned. I only had E10 to test with but no matter whether it was a V8, V6, or a 4 banger, non-ethanol fuel produced higher mpg's. The problem is, it is also a bit more expensive. Each vehicle was a little different but in each case the higher mpg's more than offset the higher pump cost when compared to the same number of miles. Some of those vehicles were old enough to not be "rated" for ethanol usage. All $ aside, I also didn't want to risk damage to any fuel system components by running ethanol in an older vehicle. I "think" most cars you buy now are rated for ethanol, at least in the US.

I'd think E30 (as compared to E10) would skew the mpg tests I did even more in favor of non-ethanol fuel. The problem is, if that's all you can get in your area there's not much you can do.

 

Folks around here seem to prefer E0 (ethanol-free) gas because it seems to yield better MPG. Theoretically, the difference should be ~3%, but some report a bigger difference than that.

 

+1

It made a much bigger difference in my 2003 V8 4Runner. I could average 18 mpg on E10 and 22 mpg on E0. Our 2005 V6 Altima is less sensitive to it but it's about 2 mpg better on E0.

 

Yes, people with outboard motors will tell you real quick to stay away from ethanol. Briggs and Stratton released a warning not to use it in their engines.

 

I am sad that newspapers in Canada have no names or dates on the paper. Here is the US a paper might be the Seattle Times or the Greenwood Commonwealth. By citing which paper and date, one could avoid a certain degree of skepticism that you were merely trolling for responses.

E30 would require a re-engineering of almost every car on the road, (not imported from Brazil) even E15 is not allowed (in the US) for vehicles before 2001.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures"]Common ethanol fuel mixtures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

I have heard, but I can not verify, that when the EPA
is testing for MPG figures the fuel they use has
No Ethanol. If that is true why???

If Ethanol blended gasoline is so good why does the EPA not consider that when testing new cars for MPG' and/or when the car manufactures test for MPG?

With this in mind when you use Ethanol gas, here in Oregon
it is mandated that you will use it in 10% blend, your MPG's will be lower than the EPA figure. The only time I can get the EPA of 50 MPG true calculated in our Prius is in the Summer and on long trips during the winter with hopefully dry roads.


When I was in Arizona I used non -ethanol gas and I noticed a
visible increase in MPG's, at least 3-5 mpg more.

al

 

Any chance it is because EPA mileage standards all the way back to the 1970's used E0 gas and re-running them all (if a Pinto can even be found) would be expensive? If you suddenly start using E10 for CAFE standards, you have effectively mandated a 3% gain in FE. The car manufacturers will not be amused.

Why is the US EPA responsible for an Oregon law? The change you seek is in Salem, not DC.

 

Another Alky-haul thread....
:deadhorse:
We have E0 and E10 available in our area. I haven't noted a big enough rise in fuel efficiency to justify having to plan my fuel stops at the E0 outlets. Additionally, E0 gas is about 10-15 cents higher per gallon, quickly eliminating any savings in my pocket.
I might be a little more perturbed about it if I lived in a state where E10 were mandated, and if there were a credible reason that E10 shouldn't be used in the dozen or so ICEs that I own and operate.....but frankly I have other things to be worried about.

For the purposes of all things Prius.....it's pretty clear that the Prius was designed to burn E10. Any delta in fuel efficiency is negated by the increased cost for E0. Nuff said.

EDIT: If/when E30 is the only thing that's available in your area, then you're going to have to burn.....(wait for it!).....E30. I wouldn't worry though. I don't see it happening in the US or in Canada for quite some time!

 

The bigger difference maybe some extra water in the ethanol, which will definitely rob someone of power.

I can live with it because E10 is 100x better than using MTBE.

 

It takes so little to make a vehicle capable of running E85, I don't see why all manufacturers don't do it. The Prius may not need the fake CAFE MPG boost obtained by being able to run it, but it would be nice to have the option if E85 becomes more cost effective.

ps the statement 2x gallons of diesel to make 1 gallon of ethanol is the old inefficient way of doing it, and is no more honest than claiming Hummers are better for the environment than a Prius.