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NY Clean Pass (HOV): Chevy Volt does not meet the emissions requirement and does not qualify

Discussion in 'Chevrolet Volt' started by usbseawolf2000, Jan 17, 2011.

  1. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    Interesting, why does the 2011 HCH not qualify? I noticed these mileage figures for the 2010 vs. 2011 HCH from http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm:
    2010: 40 city/45 highway, 42 combined
    2011: 40 city/43 highway, 41 combined

    Did the 2011 HCH undergo a significant change to "lose" gas mileage or was it due to some calculation/measurement switchover?

    By that, I'm guessing (pure speculation on my part) that the 2010 mileage figured might've been obtained by conversion by formula of old (pre-MY08 method) and the 2011 had to go through the new set of tests?

    Also of note (to me) was this:
    If so, it seems that this "45 mpg" requirement is a moving target. Under the old EPA methods, the above had at least "45 mpg" for at least one of their measures. Just because the EPA did a conversion by formula doesn't meant the above cars' mileage changed.
     
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    i think poeple high up will make some change and the volt will be exepted
     
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    I'm wouldn't so sure of that...

    I think the Volt will need to change to meet the requirement or the requirements will have to change drastically, which could let in a bunch more vehicles. This is the state of New York making decisions based on some (semi-arbitrary) criteria. I doubt they'd bend to the will of GM or the Federal government, if either are pushing.
     
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    I think highway 45 MPG and SULEV emission are the requirements. Honda reprogrammed the HV battery and owners were complaining about the performance (less assist) and MPG hit. I think 2011 EPA numbers shows that older model owners were indeed correct. Highway MPG dipped below 45 MPG so it no longer qualifies. I don't think it is fair to remove 2006-2010 models since they qualified already.

    Volt is rated with 35 miles EV range. LIE HOV lane stretches 40 miles and it's gas engine is rated 40 highway MPG. Volt's emission is also ULEV (not Super Ultra Low Emission). There is no guarantee owner will have full charge either. I think it is a good call.
     
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    In our beloved Merlin, vehicles have to have an EPA rating of 45 MPGs
    to be exempt from periodic emissions testing.
    The Gen II up to 2007 met this requirement, it was the only car to meet
    the requirement.

    However, due changes in the EPA testing procedure effective in 2008,
    2008s and 2009's do not meet the standard as the new figure is 43MPG.
    Same exact ICE/HSD, same AT-PZEV rating, etc. Go figure.

    So as it now stands pre-2008 Gen IIs and Gen IIIs are exempt.
    2008s and 2009s are not... idiotic.

    I don't expect it to ever be "fixed."
    In this case, it is not about pollution it is about revenue generation.

    FWIW, my earlier rant:
    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-main-forum/79856-maryland-emissions-testing-what-joke.html
     
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    Improvement beyond traditional is the desired outcome. ULEV most definitely doesn't qualify as that. And without a guarantee of routine plugging, dependence on the engine becomes an emission problem. Heck, just the range-reduction from winter is enough to raise red flags. After all, what percentage of FFV never use E85?
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    I'd say the same thing about letting SOVs into HOV lanes in the first place.
    Out here, at least, HOV lanes are about reducing congestion. There are more effective ways to reduce pollution.
     
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    Fail.

    How could they muck up the emissions on this car?

    Did the UAW stick their fingers in the design and say "you have to use crappy engine X from plant Z or else we're going on strike. We're not going to learn to build a new engine"

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