What is combined fuel economy of PHV Prius WITHOUT plugging-in at all?

I am not so sure. He didn't get a chance to charge it at the Green Drive (100% HV miles on the way home). Therefore, the Leaf will not make it back home.

 

Exactly.
He couldn't have made the trip at all in a Leaf.

I hear your points on the PVH, and I'm not saying that EV's will not evolve into a viable gasoline replacement---in fact, I think that either EV's or HV's will eventually supplant gasoline technology....they're going to have to, since 1-point-something billion Chinese and one-point-something billion Indians will be getting their learner's permits in the next decade or two.
Who knows?
Maybe we'll get to see the next Tesla versus Edison battle on the exact route that personal transportation will take!

My beef with Toyota's PHV is that they're hyper-marketing what is essentially a battery upgrade for a vehicle that will be old enough to vote in a few years.
Yeah, it's cool.
Yeah, I used to be in design electronics, so I can appreciate the whole developing technologies thing.
Yeah, all companies deserve to make a buck.

I'll keep my eyes peeled, but all I'm saying is that for now the PHV is a really neat feature on a really neat car.
Kinda like my Harley---and like my HD, you go for a drive in it, and theoretically, you can save a little money with one. (If your other vehicle is an H3 for example...)
It's just not going to change the automotive landscape.

However (comma) if I were Toyota, I'd keep my eyes in the rear-view mirror.

Tesla didn't.

 

What's wrong with product diversification?

Offering traditional, hybrid, PHV, and EV sure makes a lot of sense from the business perspective. Heck, it's hard to argue the engineering when you consider how battery & motor improvements can be shared among 3 of those categories.

And with the high-volume profitable sales coming from the 10th generation of Corolla, how can a maturing technology only in its 3rd be a bad thing?
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Curious, a followup on my original question. Does anyone that has driven a PHV Prius have any comments about how far the brake pedal can be pushed and still remain in the charge zone? Did anyone notice that "it is about the same" or "I could brake more quickly and still stay in the charge zone"? For people that can't plug in, this could be another advantage.

 

I agree. If there had been a charging station for electric vehicles the story would be quite clear. In any case he could of made either trip at different times. I like the Leaf a lot. :cheer2:I am very seriously considering it as my second vehicle. having a Prius and a Leaf would be perfect.

 

While I agree with usbseawolf2000, I also agree with this.

Gas where I live is 3.45 a gallon (average), and even then I'll still be saving money instead of charging it up with electricity... especially during the summer. Cars have been stand-alone units for a long time and I look at the PHEV as a Gen. 4 Prius with an added feature.

But, as many have said, I'm sure Toyota won't release it until it's perfect.

 

Then again, some said President Rosevelt was an idiot when he began public works projects (hydro dams etc) when there was no money in the kitty.

And to farther thread-jack, anyone got a guess as to what the base price (before any incentives) will be for the Prius PHEV?

 

Some people still do...
Although I will admit we gotta decent return on the dams.

What IS the base price of the PHV as compared to a regular, garden variety Prius?
Only when we see the differences in price, and the differences in fuel economies for both models (and the energy used during a charging cycle for the PHV) will people be able to tabulate the "plug-in premium."

 

great info!

I think the PHV Prius is supposed to be $5000 more than traditional G3 correct?

I'd gladly pay $2000 net additional cost for the PHV --- I HATE HATE HATE stopping to get gas and send our money to the middle east!!!! I can easily plug-in at home AND work, 52 mile RT commute.

BTW - averaging 60mpg over 5000 miles commuting to/from work.

 

I did not see anyone answered it. Let me try to answer it.

First, I did not drive the PHV Prius. I was just in the passenger seat. It looked like the Lithium PHV pack can absorb a lot more regen than the standard NiMh HV pack. I am judging by the estimated EV miles (remained). The EV range goes up as you regen brake. From the look of it, there is no way NiMH can recapture that much back.

I asked the same question in the video at 7:25.

 

Absolutely. A lot of us make many short trips. They may not add up to a great percentage of the total distance driven but I believe short trips are the majority of the trips.

One hint is the accident rate. 52% of all accidents occur within 5 miles from home. That seem to indicate that majority of our trips are short local trip to nearby supermarket doing daily chores.

PHV Prius can eliminate those MPG killers, providing the best bang for our buck. That makes a heck more sense than wasting 52% of the battery energy pushing air at 65 MPH on the highway.

 

Thanks! In the 3 of 4 video, around 2:00 is an almost-full stop from the highway in the charge range of the HSI display, displaying the MPH, etc. Was this slowdown going downhill or on the level, especially at the end? If downhill, it seems to slow down faster than my Gen III in the same situation.

 

There are places to get gas that don't get it there...

No, but what I was really going to say is I think you might have to stop for gas occasionally if, assuming my calculations are correct, you are going 26 miles one way.

That being said, I would gladly do the same thing just for simplicity purposes, my commute is so short that I would probably put gas in the car once every 6 months.