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LOUD cold engine noise '06 59K

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by dslomer, Nov 6, 2010.

  1. dslomer

    dslomer New Member

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    No joke, I'm about to ... :sick:.


    Sunday night the ambient temp was about 65. Prius had been sitting for maybe 4 hours. It had been running for 30-45 seconds before I floored it to make a light 1/4 mile down the road. I've done this before.

    But this time I heard engine noise like there was no oil in the crankcase. I let off the gas; no noise. No warning lights. Oil level is fine. Toyota serviced it 11 times in 55000 miles. They swear they used the right oil.

    I can't replicate the noise. But the seed's been planted. Now any noise at high rev sounds abnormal. Always striving for 50+ mpg, I almost never push my Prius, so I don't have a good feel for its 'usual' engine 'noise' at sustained high rev sounds like, but this noise sounded very, very bad and I'd never heard anything like it.

    I know what pinging sounds like, but not knocking, but aren't both sort of intermittent? My noise wasn't. No loss of power, either.

    Injector noise was one guy's suggestion, maybe to get me down off the bridge railing.

    I'm going in Tuesday just to get it logged as a complaint before odometer turns 60K and to see if anyone hears something at operating temp. I have one for Saturday and I'll leave it overnight so I can take the drive, too.

    It had been running great. At 55 mph on interstate, with new Michelin "Energy Savers" since August, I'd been getting a real 60 mpg as opposed to the 55 I used to get. I was happy as could be.

    I guess all I'm asking is how screwed it sounds like I might be.

    And I gotta hit send since I feel like I'm gonna hurl aga
     
  2. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

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    Since you say that there are no warning lights, the oil level is fine and you can't replicate the noise, then this doesn't sound like a significant problem at this time.

    However, it is a bad idea to floor the accelerator pedal when the engine is not warmed up. Component clearances are looser than when the engine has reached operating temp. If you do this habitually, your engine will have a shorter-than-normal life.
     
  3. Mr.Vanvandenburg

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    If it was definitely knocking within the engine block, one thing can happen is the oil filter bypass is not working right. It fits with the cold oil and high revs situation described. Since you are using dealer oil filters, from what you say, maybe the filter needs renewing. I would make sure to use the recommended viscosity and a new filter on each change. Engines are tough, especially the little guy in the Prius. If everything back to normal now no harm done IMO. A bad bearing will also knock on startup usually, as a lot of us who have had worn out engines know.
     
  4. dslomer

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    Well, I've taken it to no one but Toyota, so surely they know what filter and viscosity to use. But since I've never changed or had to add oil, I don't off-hand know what the viscosity should be. I can't imagine anybody actually cutting oil change that short, but I guess they do.

    I'm not due for service for another 1000, but I think I may just do 60K while I'm still under warranty, though there's no way they'd ever tell me something needed replacing this late in the game. Or early, for that matter.

    Patrick Wong wrote:
    ...it is a bad idea to floor the accelerator pedal when the engine is not warmed up. Component clearances are looser than when the engine has reached operating temp. If you do this habitually, your engine will have a shorter-than-normal life.

    I know. But I tell ya, it can take FIVE MINUTES to get (a) out of the mall lot and (b) make the next light and then (c) make the light to turn onto I-75. However, lesson learned! I'll take the 'back way'. It takes 4 minutes, but little traffic, only right turns.

    I've been lovin' this machine. :D So not gonna do anything [else] to jeapordize it. I've only done the 'high rev when cold' 2 or 3 times ever. There won't be a 3rd or 4th.

    Thanks to both of you for helping me out.
     
  5. RinMI

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    Hey, just my two pennies, but your post caught my eye when I read it sounded like no oil. I have had cars do that before and my Prius did almost exactly the same as you describe. Sounded like a dry lifter on an old pushrod engine. What I eventually found, thanks to my local non-dealer guy was a bad water pump. When he told me, I told him I had never ever heard a water pump sound like that. He said they can right before they completely fall apart. Take a look on the passenger hand side of the engine and if you see wierd pinkish red crust on stuff or a line of white to pink crust on the "fiber" mat attached to the hood, it is a bad water pump. Good luck, hope you get it figured out soon.
     
  6. seilerts

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    One thing to keep in mind is that salvage Gen II engines are virtually a dime a dozen. car-part.com has listings as low as $199 with warranty. Given the amazing durability of these motors, I would be surprised if you have done permanent damage, but even if you did, a fix is not cost prohibitive.