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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by aa1a, Aug 8, 2010.

  1. aa1a

    aa1a Junior Member

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    We were driving in the mountains today, and for the second time we got the master warning, the Check engine and the Hybrid system warning. Last time the dealer pulled the code and said it was the battery cooling fan. I cleaned the fan and verified that it did work. This time we also got the Brake and the VSC warnings. I have a hard time believing all these systems failed at once. We took the car home ASAP. It ran fine, with no change in MPG. But the air conditioning didn't work. Any idea what could have caused all these problems at once. The car has 154k miles and is out of warrantee.
    Thanks for any help you can offer.
    Jim
     
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    Inverter coolant pump failure.
     
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    Thank you Patrick,
    I noticed your post about replacing the pump. Looks pretty straghtforeword if you don't mind a few skinned knuckles. Where is the bleed valve located ?
    I waited for the car and the outside temp to cool off and drove the car again. The VSC and Brake light were off and the AC works. But the master, check engine and hybrid lights were still on. I suspect I'll need to reset them. Is this done by disconnecting the aux battery?
    Thanks again for all the help.
    Jim
     
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    Wouldn't it be better to have the codes read out (do you have any friends with a ScanGauge or other OBDII reader?), instead of merely resetting them?
     
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    When ever driving in the mountains it is too dangerous with out the waring lights and it would be the radiator problem wit low battery supply.
     
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    Hi Jim,

    You'll need to remove the black plastic cover over the radiator. Then you will see the inverter coolant system bleed valve.

    Yes, you will reset the lights by disconnecting the negative terminal of the 12V battery for a few minutes. However, as pointed out above, you may first wish to retrieve the DTC to confirm that the root cause is in fact the inverter coolant pump.

    Or at least, make the car IG-ON (not READY) and determine whether you can 1) hear the pump running and 2) see turbulence in the coolant reservoir. If you don't hear/see any signs of pump life, then it is a reasonable bet that replacing the inverter coolant pump will solve the problem. Good luck.
     
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    I checked the pump last night with the car on. I could not hear the pump and did not see turbulance in the reservoir. But when I put my finger on the pump I felt a steady vibration like the pump was running. Seems like it would be a good Idea to read the code. Will an "auto parts store grade" reader work or do I need to take it to the dealership? Since they mis-diagnosed the problem last time I am reluctant to pay them to do it again.
    Thanks,
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    I think that the pump is probably dead if you don't see turbulence and can't hear it (sounds like an aquarium pump.) The motor probably has a bad bearing.

    I doubt that a generic OBD-II code reader will work to retrieve the DTC, because the DTC is produced by the hybrid vehicle ECU.

    If you are going to DIY I think it would be reasonable to replace the pump now. If you are going to have dealer service replace the pump then they will retrieve the DTC as a first step.
     
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    I was messing around with the pump this morning. It was definately running. I was surprised by how much it would move. It's like the rubber shock mounts are nearly gone and it is held in place mostly by the hoses. Still no sign of coolant moving in the reservior. Then I noticed the pump had stopped running. It shows all the symptoms of a bad pump so I think I will replace the pump, reset the lights and hope for the best. I would really like to know what the codes say but the toyota charged me $120 to read the code last time and gave me the wrong diagnosis.
    Thanks again for the help. i'll do another post after replacing the pump.
    Jim
     
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    Sounds good. Makes no sense to spend $120 on reading codes to confirm whether an $88 part should be replaced. Good luck.
     
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    I borrowed a code reader from a friend and read a generic P0A93 and a Toyota specific C1818. I've confirmed that the Inverter cooling pump is intermittent so I suspect it is related to that or to an inverter overheat. Is there a complete list of codes available?
     
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    DTC P0A93 "Inverter Cooling System Performance". As you said, the likely cause is the inverter cooling pump.

    I do not believe that C1818 is a valid Prius DTC.
     
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    Hi All,
    The C1818 was a mistake. Disregard that. I just finished changing out the inverter cooling pump. 1 hour and 15 minutes... not too bad. All thanks to Patrick's GREAT instructions! Thank you! It is a tight squeeze in there. The electrical plug was a bear to get unplugged. I waited until I had the pump loose so I could rotate it and it was still very difficult to unplug. I used needle nose pliers to squeeze the latch to release it. I also has a hard time getting the bracket bolt that sits below the pump re-started. It was tricky getting the pump out between the inverter and the radiator too. Otherwise it was not a bad job. You need to be accustomed to working in tight spaces if you are going to do it yourself. Much of the time you can barely see the part you are working on. I didn't have time to buy the pump mail order so I got it from the local dealer. They gave me the last one out of their stash normally reserved for the service department. They have 6 on backorder. Sounds like they really go through them.
     
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    Thanks, but you'll note that several members contributed excellent ideas within the string, to improve my suggested process. I'm glad that we all can benefit from this exchange of ideas and experience.

    It would be very interesting to know the failure rate of that coolant pump. This seems to be a problem even with newer 2G model years.