My real-world experience with the PHV

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  1. daniel

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    Thanks for the info, Tony. So my trips to the grocery store and the Centennial Trail (for long walks by the river) would be electric, as well as the library and places not quite halfway to downtown, but downtown would burn gas.

    I don't mind driving 60 on the freeway, but the distance would mean ICE usage for any place I'd actually use the freeway for.

    I would probably be a good fit for my needs, since I could trade off the 2004, EXCEPT that I've got this bug up my nice person that I don't want to burn ANY gas when I can help it. The PHV would not be an improvement over my 2004 for long road trips, and even the Xebra goes farther on EV, and a Leaf or my electric Porsche (if it ever gets done) will go farther still.

    Guess I'll stick with the 2004 and an EV, but that PHV sounds like a good compromise. The Volt probably won't go a lot farther on EV, and will probably burn 50% more gas in CS mode.

    Say, here's another question:

    In mountain driving, where you have LONG downhills, will regen recharge the plug-in section of the battery? Or will it only take as much charge via regen as the non-PHV version does?
     
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    This is the part that bugs me the most: There are three battery packs in the current prototypes (two for plug-in and one "regular" hybrid battery). Regen only regens the "regular" battery. There is no way to regen the other two; they are plug-in exclusive.

    As for the interstate driving, Evan and I determined that the PHV gives more reason to drive faster than 65mph on the interstate. That way, you can EV to the on-ramp, get the ICE to kick on and exit on EV. That is the only way to travel farther than 15 miles and have EV range left.
     
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    OK, so here's a question for you all.

    How should I report mileage?
    I can do trips as in "Morning commute" and "evening commute" and "to GDE" and "from GDE".
    I can do everything from getting the car to dropping the car off.
     
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    But I would still like to have a little help with the room cost if anyone wants to chip in. Also I will have an extra bed Sunday night if someone wants to split the cost.


    If Tony is going to be bunking with me Thursday night I might as well tag along if you want me to. If Tony does not decide to go I can always take his place. :)
     
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    Report everything. Even try to get some EV only distance reports. Do you have a way to monitor kWh usage when you plug in? Like a Kill-A-Watt?
     
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    Don't forget to report the EV Driving Ratio too. Oh and bring a scangauge so you can see pass 99.9 mpg
     
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    I usually track my am and pm commute mileage separately so that would be a great measure. I would also do daily, and total. Also amount EV vs the ICE/reg hybrid vs total miles would be very useful to get a handle on real use. Lastly a feel of percentage of driving by type would be a great added bonus - highway, surface streets, heavy traffic etc, temperature.
     
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    !Que bueno idea!
    I have a Kill-a-Watt and I will carry it with me in the car and use it when I plug in.

    It occurred to me that at GDE the car will be used for test drives. So my overall mileage would be dramatically affected. For that reason, I will try to be diligent in resetting every time and measuring individual trips. However, I do not have a Scan Gauge so I will not be able to get that information. In the end, I might end up with a bunch of EV/ICE ratios and a bunch of 99.99s.
     
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    Who can get Tony a Scan Gauge before Thursday? :-p

    15 miles Ev would handle a lot of my usage - to and from work during the winter (and rainy days), most of the driving i do around town for various activities... but it'll only handle one way whenever i need to go downtown (about 11 miles) - and there are 6 weeks a year that i do that drive 5-7 times a week. 30 miles and I'd give up my current Prius as soon as it was available, but 15.. I'll probably wait a bit for that.


    It'll be really interesting to see your results. 4 hour drive to the event (annotated with average speeds and hilliness (is that a word?), of course) should give us a great idea of how it acts once the battery is exhausted... and the short commutes should really highlight the power of a plugin (pun intended :p)!
     
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    Sorry for picking nits, but "idea" is feminine, so it takes the feminine adjective: "buena."
     
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    Oh man, this thread is getting filled so fast in a few hours of it's conception.
    Tony, you had been touched by the "BIG MAN up-there" for being selected to transport the GREAT chariot of fire. :rockon:
    Keep it charging...........
     
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    Do you have to return it? I can use a black face mask and Hick-jack the car with you and nobody will know....... for a long Joy ride.
     
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    I speak Spanish with a transgender flair!

    For some reason, I'm not sure the sequel to "Thelma and Louis", "Tony and BigH steal a PHV" would go over at the box office.
     
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    I got a call from the truck delivery guy. His GPS is showing a late arrival into the area. We're talking 10:00 - 10:30pm. It's either that or I wait until tomorrow morning. I think I'll be staying up late tonight.

    I want to get in a morning and evening commute this week before I head up to GDE.
     
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    You never know. Get some hot actors to play the parts, and include some sex, and maybe a 30-foot-tall triffid, and a cattle stampede, and a bluegrass sound track. Then find a Japanese Danny Trejo to be the Toyota hard-nice person who tracks them to recover the stolen car, but gets eaten by the triffid in the end, and give it a happy ending (they finally make it to Massachusetts where they get married), and I'll bet you'll have a real box-office hit. :D
     
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    hold on a minute daniel... using the Prius as a sex symbol? You never said this was a comedy!
     
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    The Prius is not a sex symbol in this movie. The Prius is the super-secret technology the Japanese do not want Tony and BigH to deliver to the Prius Chat techs for reverse engineering. In fact, the sex is just for box office. The movie is really an adventure romance.
     
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    I love how an off topic thread can so easily go off topic.
     
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    The PHV was delivered tonight. The truck driver rolled in around 10:30. The car was very dirty. I'm talking caked-on dirt on the windshield. So even though it was 11:00 at night, I got out the hose and gave it a good washing.
    Then I discovered that the Toyota engineers went out of their way to make the tire stems very difficult to access. But in time I got the tires to a decent - though undisclosed - level.
    Finally, I plugged the baby into the wall. I'll never know its history prior to me but the batteries were depleted. Completely. So I plugged in a Kill-a-Watt and then the car. In the morning, I'll see how much kWh it took.

    Interestingly, there's a fan noise under the passenger seat when the plug-in's recharging. I think there's a vent for the plug-in batteries there cause it sounds as thought it's running a fan to cool. Makes sense. It doesn't help that it's hot and humid here and the garage is even worse.

    It took me a while to find out how to reset all the trips. I hope I got them all. Just in case, will someone post the instructions. There IS a PHV owners manual in the glovebox. I'll have to take a picture of it. Though I haven't had time to read it all yet.
     
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