Nissan Leaf vs Prius

a bit OT, but...

I think that that is a somewhat romanticized view of what the world used to be like as well as an incorrect view of what would be efficient. First, cities were like that because of poor and/or costly transportation (previously) and because the things people had to do daily needed to be a short distance from homes. One example would be daily shopping for spoilable food before widespread efficient refrigeration. I contend that it is more efficient to shop once or twice a week at a large and more distant supermarket that is primarily resupplied with large trucks. (More efficient in terms of transportation energy as well as salaries)

Yes, some people are going to drive all over to shop. But many can find a supermarket to/from the places they have to go everyday -- work and/or school. Kids get dropped off everyday at school but no one proposes that everyone lives within a mile of an elementary school, a middle and a high school, do they? No. This just wouldn't be workable because schools need to be of a certain size to provide enough students and opportunities/classes. Why focus on ~weekly activities instead of daily ones when thinking of transportation? This is just selective ideas of what they would like things to be like, not based on a practical study of real life.

It makes a lot of sense to organize your life so that you live close to work. This trumps all ideas of how to build a city in terms of being walkable, bike-able, public-transit-able, drivable, etc.

3PriusMike

 

great points!! but this view in being addressed as we speak. there was a show on some science channel about Japan developing a huge "neighborhood" that was all enclosed in a single building that would be nearly a half mile high. it would be home to over 100,000 people and contain businesses, shops, etc that would supply nearly all their needs making trips outside the area a rare need.

granted it was proposed simply because Tokyo where the project is slated is so overcrowded that maximizing space is a must. but the concept was definitely interesting. large areas would be enclosed in a climate controlled dome allowing outdoor recreational type activities all year long.

 

Why wasn't it noted in this post that the article was written by the chief marketing officer for Tesla Motors and an adviser on to Coda Automotive?

I guess Tesla is concerned that the Model S is going to cost twice the cost of a LEAF. And I'm a bit concerned about any car made in China...

 

Oh, if you are just starting to read this thread, most here believe (and there is a lot of evidence to show it), that bigdog123 is a plant from GM/Detroit/BigOil (not sure which, doesn't really matter). Most of us believe he is a "paid" troll

 

Really? They have it so bad that they have to actually "hire" trolls? There's a million of them out here, from what I've seen.

 

It's hard to image that he would take the weekends off, as we havn't seen him post on a weekend. Get it? It's almost like "his job" I am probably being too tough on the guy, but he does like to spread FUD, and is kind of a negative nelly, I say cheer up, life is too short to have such a negative attitude about everything.

 

Actually, the EV Project will put over 1,000 recharge stations in each of the initial five states that are in the DEC rollout. So that isn't JUST the Western cities. Also, if your home qualifies, 4700 free chargers will be installed in those five states.

 

I will admit I was wrong, but the way carb writes the law that requires 100k compliance is that if the battery can generate a "check" engine light. tesla (which is the only Ev that is sold, not leased) has a 7/100k warranty for their battery pack.

Second the article you quoted still said that nissan was leasing batteries which has been debunked. so hahahahahahaha to you too. this conversation is over.

 

I've read over the EV Project website pretty well, the only places not on the west coast are in Arizona and Tenessee. Tenesee we get because that's where the Nissan Leaf plant will be, and they will be able to closely watch and examine some Leafs if troubles pop up. Arizona they are picking due to the high heat, to see how the batteries perfom in high heat areas... all of the other locations are in the West:

"In the summer of 2010, charging infrastructure will be deployed in the following major population areas: Phoenix (AZ), Tucson (AZ), San Diego (CA), Portland (OR), Eugene (OR), Corvallis (OR), Seattle (WA), Nashville (TN), Knoxville (TN) and Chattanooga (TN). The Nissan LEAF will be available in those same areas in the fall of 2010 to consumers and fleets"

and

"eTec is partnering with Nissan North America to deploy up to 4,700 zero-emission electric vehicles, the Nissan LEAF, and 11,210 charging systems to support them in strategic markets in five states: Arizona, California, Oregon, Tennessee, and Washington"

The EV Project » Overview

Show me 1 place they are testing in a colder climate such as Alaska, or even the Northeast such as Boston or NYC, or Minneapolis... they are not - yet. I guess the coldest data will be from the Washington State/Oregon areas, initially.

FYI, I put a $99 deposit on a Leaf tonight, I just wish I didn't have to wait over a year to get it. On a Twitter chat last week on #carchat, Boston rollout was said to be in "2nd half of 2011". I don't need any public charging for the Leaf for what I need it for, home charging is fine, yet still they are not going to ship them to our area for quite some time, unless they ramp things up faster than they have said so far.

 

You said "only" in the Western cities and I pointed out exactly what you said...the other two aren't West Coast cities. So I guess I don't understand what you are saying about Alaska, etc...never mentioned that.

 

Look at the map... What part of the country is missing? The entire east coast, that was my point. I own a small piece of land in Arizona, I consider that "west" as well.

I do think they should have included a city or two on the east coast, don't really understand why it was totaly left out. It is supposed to be a feasability real world test, they will have zero data from really cold, nasty places, unless we count rainy Washington state.

 

If you had bothered to actually open the link, it's clearly spelled out. But then again, why would i expect potential leaf owners to actually read all the fine print?

...and you really think the Leaf and the Tesla are competing? Really? LOL.

Not even close.

 

..and you have proof to support your slander?

Sorry to disappoint, but just a Prius owner. This thread is suppose to compare the leaf to the prius, is it not?

Where's the moderator?

 

Links? Also, don't forget honda....they're a LOT bigger than Nissan.

Really, and i thought statistics showed that something like 75% of the US motoring population had only a 50 mile round trip comute...so why would 100 miles not be enough, if 75% of the adult comuter population only needs half of this?

Perhaps Toyoyta realizes that in real world situations, and as per the article I linked to above, that it won't be 100 miles. It won't be anything close to that for most comuters? Maybe that's the reason?

 

Point to one "incorrect statement". I'll wait.

You sir, are slanderous, and your allegation of "paid troll" is laughable. i'm a G3 owner, and this thread is suppose to compare and contrast the Leaf with the prius. My points about the vulnerabilities of the Leaf battery are completely valid, and depending upon which "expert" you want to believe, are 100% accurate. Your links and points of view may contrast, but that doesn't make them any more right/wrong, than mine.

 

Utter baloney.

 

Until the residual on the 36 month lease Is known, the costs cannot be compared exactly.

not "baloney" mr negative

if you own a 2010 prius, what model do you have? What color? Give us some details - no one here thinks your a prius owner

 

Since you never cite any facts, I concur that the links you never post are not wrong, by definition.
You already posted your defense of why your facts are wrong. You are fed incorrect data by your employer so you are not lying, only incorrect.

As you like to say, we covered that in post 363.

http://priuschat.com/forums/nissan-hybrids-evs/78762-nissan-leaf-vs-prius-37.html#post1108291

 

So how did I figure it out?

If there were a dozen EVs around, then the LEAF and the Tesla wouldn't be competing. For twice the price the Tesla doesn't get you twice the range.