Toyota Is Dead to 44% of U.S. Buyers

Oh whoa is me ... whoa is Toyota ... years to recover ... no ... decades ... no millenia! whoa ... whoa Whoa! Thankyou, voice of doom. Meanwhile ... Prius sales are up 27% according to Danny's article. So much for predictions.



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amen. Ford's snafu was much greater and they recovered with barely a hiccup.

 

There are a lot of factors in peoples' car-buying decisions. Some are intellectual, some are emotional. When all is said and done, past history can be overcome. Look at Hyndai. Look at Audi. Look at Ford. I'm not going to sell Toyota stock short just yet.

 

I don't care if the bottom falls out as I will not sell my Prius anyway, I will drive it till the wheels fall off and then buy another at the reduced price from those who believe Toyata is not a good car. At my age (soon 82) my 2005 will probably outlast me anyway.Oldie but a goodie

 

As this continues to unfold the percentage grows higher with each passing day and headline.

 

I would like to see each company that is "dead" to the american population.

Doesnt matter if Ford, Chevy, GM, Hyundai, or Kia all won awards or all had giant recalls (which they generally do anyways) they are "dead" to me as I would never even consider them. Ever.

And there are many out there just like myself that would never consider Toyota or Honda just because they're Japanese and "not made in 'merica" (even though they are more so than any of the big three).

I would assume that the majority of the people in these statistics would never consider Toyota even 3 years ago.

 

This quote is just pure garbage and either you have been terribly misinformed or are just lying for a reason. Show me just one piece of evidence to back up your clima and I will show you reams of info that statae just the opposite. How about the US trade deficit with Toyota is greater than all but 8 or 9 countires in the world.

 

44% of 305 million Americans still means over 132 million people in Toyota families in the US. There are a lot of people who claim they would never buy foreign (even though they're happy enough to buy Ford Fusions!).

Kicking Toyota when its down isn't a good strategy for GM or its dealers (or any other automaker). It just doesn't seem very classy. It makes me less inclined to return to parents' car company for my next vehicle. Hate to say it but its short-sighted too. Ralph Nader (the master mind here) isn't just a Toyota hater.

 

When car buying time comes again for me, Toyota will not be on the top of the list, their dealers literally suck, everyone I have dealt with, and that's 6 of them. The Prius is the only example of a Toyota I liked anyway, and in a couple of years Toyota is going to be surpassed in the Prius category anyway, so a lot more to look at. Arrogance is what has hurt Toyota, and it goes a long way through multiple aspects of Toyota.

 

My typing did not come out as I wished.

I meant:

There are people out there that would never consider Toyota/Honda because they are not american. Just as they would never consider Audi/MB/VW/etc... just because they are German. Some of these people wouldnt even consider Saab because it is "swedish" even though it hasnt been for a while.

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I would never buy an "american" vehicle.

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Most of the "american" vehicles by the big three are manufactured mostly outside of the US like in Mexico and Canada.

 

It sounds as though you are terribly misinformed, what percentage of GM and Ford vehicles are manufactured in Canada and Mexico? What percentage of toyotas are manufactured in Japan, Canada and Mexico?

 

I don't know the percentages. I do know that the Equinox and Terrain are two of GM's fastest selling cars in the US and they're made in Canada. I do know that the Fusion and Milan (including the hybrids) are made in Mexico. And the US content on a Tundra is higher than on a Silverado...

 

Midgets and Giants, I will get the numbers for you in an hour. Here you go.

in 2009 Toyota sold 1,770,147 vehicles in the US. It built 541,848 in the US, 318,845 in Canada, 45,685 in Mexico, and the rest in Japan.

GM sold 2,071,749 in the US. It built 1,186,089 in the US, 491,767 in Canada and 347,665 in Mexico.

Ford sold 1,677,234 in the US. It built 1,311,525 in the US, 236,769 in Canada, and 234,847 in Mexico.

Any other questions. Those are the real numbers, not the 'urban legend' numbers not the 'toyota spin' numbers, not the 'free trade' numbers.

Also for the Record sales numbers in Canada, Mexico and Japan:
Canada:
GM-252,715
Ford-231,401
Toyota-205,115

Mexico:
GM-138,482
Ford-92,003
Toyota-51,991

Japan:
Toyota-1,995,235
GM-10,171
Ford-9,372

 

Of those vehicles 'built' in the US, what is the percentage of parts that were manufactured in the US?

 

As a whole it is far greater in the Fords and GM's than Toyota's. What is the US content in the imported toyota's? That is the real story, why do some of you continually not want to acknowledge that?

 

These numbers don't total up correctly.

Tom

 

Last time I had my oil changed at Piercey Toyota, they took the time to bring out a Sr. tech to talk to me about oil a bit too high on dipstick and correct the level. Granted it was not so busy on a Sunday morning, but still.

And, it's not the dealer's fault the Toyota corporate service specs call for something between 3.75 - 3.9 qts on a change w/filter on Gen2 when 3.5 seems to be the best amount.

I have not seen Piercey's service department as careless. All Toyota service advisors I've talked to show good customer service. They replaced my JBL radio promptly in 1 hour and without hassle.

 

Here's how Toyota fares in the mid to south East Bay Area -

They reopened the new Toyota dealer near Oakland Coliseum. Also, there is a Toyota dealer in Hayward, a huge one in Fremont and pretty big one in Milpitas - that's 4 Toyota dealers in a 35 mile stretch up and down 880 freeway. That's about the same as Honda in given area, but the Toyota dealers are larger.

Mazda? 1 dealer in same area
VW? 2 smaller dealers
Nissan? 1 in same area
Ford? 2
GM? I think 2, but don't really care

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Toyota is going to be just fine. Their cars are the best, although I wish they known for being a little more fun to drive.

Honda can't even build an equivalent to a Venza - the Honda loses cargo space with sloped rear, narrowed cargo space, V6 only, stupid tonneau cover, but it apparently corners better, who cares.

 

How American is that car? - USATODAY.com
Unfortunately, it doesn't distinguish between US and Canadian parts. I don't think the Canadians are in any hurry to join the US.

 

Good 'ole boys is right. They're stuck in the past designing HHR's - I was told is was inspired by a 1940's something Suburban IIRC. Or PT Cruisers for the 50's reminiscers (sp?).

Ford is much better than GM and Chrysler IMO. I like seeing a lot of Fusion's out there.