Now For Something that Really Bugs Me

No, corporate controlled government is the problem. Our government is no longer for the people, by the people, etc... And it's going to get a lot worse now that the activist SCOTUS has allowed corporations to use their billions as "free speech" since SCOTUS has declared they are now a person! The only things government will be doing is protecting big business. Government by definition is good. It's when the people who make up the govt. are representing corporations and not citizens that govt. is bad, but what that really means is corporations and campaign finance rules are the problem, not govt. Corporations want you to believe govt. itself is bad, but that is simply not true and could not be further from the truth.

 

Although I am no guru on the Toyota problems but if they had an idea that something was wrong all of theses years with their cars acceleration and braking then yes they should have addressed it before.

But I also believe the reasoning for the conspiracy regarding going after Toyota the way that they are is that the Government does own portions of GM and Chrysler and thus are scaring Americans to buy American. Funny how the government is so liberal at this time that they hate private industry yet are so involved with it that is makes me wonder.

 

Today my coworker, a Happy Hyundai Owner, showed me her recall letter about corroding control arms. Where's the hysterical media coverage? Where's the Secretary (or Spokesman) saying "don't drive the car"? If it is just foreign company bashing why give the Koreans a pass?

 

Dude, chill! Toyota fixed it before 2011 model come out. You knew 2010 was the first year redesigned model, didn't you? As seen with different ECU firmware versions, they were improving (at least twice) the feel of the brakes. They released the final fix for everyone to update through SSC. I think Toyota acted very quickly in term of "automotive turn-around-time". Sure, pressure from intelligent owners pushed them to work harder. You are viewing this from the glass being half empty perspective.

 

Chill? When they have lied to You over and over again I don't think you can chill. They put the fix in in 2011 in January. However, they did not issue a recall nor any fix for exsisting Prius untill mid February and only because it came out of the media did they decided to recall the Prius.
But wait even when they were comtempleting the recall of the Prius in the US and Japan they did not mention UK or Europe.
When I called them regarding recall of the Prius they told me the Prius in the UK are made different and that there are no problem with the Prius brakes. I had to complain here and to the press before the recall was made to every Prius owners. I am not going into detail of this but you can keep think or be a toyota fanboy (which I dispise any fanboy of any company).
I didn't pay £18,000 ($28,000) on a car that has safty issues. Nor did I spend that amount of money on a NEW car that has Back lights collecting condensation (they are going to put a new one in under warranty but whats the point if it is made out of the same rubbish), radio refused to work properly, rattling problems which I had to personally foam up, and not to mention the break squeaking constantly at very low speeds as if the car is very old. Oh and ghosting problem of the HUD for being on one type of screen for too long.

Would I recommend anyone to buy a toyota now? No.

 

hsiaolc,

My experience with Prius is a great one. I would recommend it to anyone. Obviously, you have a different experience. I hope Toyota of UK is listening. If this is the case of buyer's remorse, I am not sure how much they can help you with.

Your experience with your regional Toyota does not give you the right to call me a "fanboy" as much as I can call you a troll. I see the glass half full and you see half empty. That does not make my perspective more right than yours. They are just different perspectives.

In the US, Toyota is now very open with the recalls. They recalled two Tundras, yes, two vehicles. I think Toyota is a great company that not only fix their mistake but also learn from it.

 

It is very open with recalls here in the UK as well.
You are basing on your experience as being none because you had none of those problems.
However, I believe the forums here are made so people share their experiences (instead of beind told that our experiences doesn't really mean much because it didn't happen to you then why are you here?) so we can understand problems or share infomation that will help us in our endevour to love the car we buy. Just beacause you had no problem and doesn't have to struggle to get your car recalled is because other people are doing the job for you so it is easy for you to say or thin that Toyota is so wonderful that the fix is out there before you complained.
Problems with my cars are real and most of them actually have big threads here with real people having those problems as well. But will they recall to improve the quality of their car? So far the rattling business have not even been looked at by toyota and it probably won't be because its not really important to them.
I say what I have observed and they are factual and not sure where your comments are coming from so yes I do have the right to call you a fanboy as you have a right to call me a troll and I do not retract the fanboy comment. One follows blindly and defend a corporation as if it is their family or they are loyal to them no matter what goes on around them such as people being killed because their defects, falls under the definition fanboy.

 

I totally agree with you with the point of the forum. I have benefited from this community as well (ex: brake actuator fix). I did not bitch and moan about every little issue. I don't expect Lexus quality from a Toyota. Most of the issues you mentioned about your Prius does not seem to meet Toyota quality either so you have a point. The question is if your Prius is an isolated case or wide spread issue. You seem to think replacing the part would not fix it.

Just because I believe the statement Toyota made in their ad, you think I am defending them? I don't agree with the way Toyota handled the unintended acceleration. I think they could've handled it better. Unintended acceleration complaints and deaths are reported across all cars, not just Toyota. We may never know how many of those deaths are due to driver error (pressing gas instead of brake). You will probably think I am defending Toyota again, with your "victim" state of mind. I am simply keeping my mind open.

Good luck.

 

That's because Hyundai does not wear the crown of the King in the U.S. All in all Hyundai/Kia is still just a mere afterthought in the minds of Americans. Besides that company will forever be stigmatized for the cheapness of the Excel, even the Genesis or the new Sonata can't shake that.

I'll speak from experience as well. I traded in a Kia Soul for my Prius. Was it a well built car? Absolutely. But when it came down to it, whenever I had a conversation with anybody about the Soul I always felt like they lumped me in with the crappy Rios and Sephias of the past. And let's not even talk about the resale value.

Bottom line, America and mainstream media loves to run stories along the themes of "oh how the mighty have fallen" or "that perfect company isn't so perfect after all" or "looks like there's finally a chink in that armor".

Hyundai has nothing to lose when there wasn't anything to take away in the first place.

 

I don't expect Lexus quality. But I sure didn't expect rattling. If you hate something so much can you actually just close your eyes and pretend its not there? I can't do it sorry.

Shame that so many of us have this problem but others who doesn't just don't really care and make us feel as if we are imagining things. Sorry if you guys have those kind of metality. I thought we are here to unite and help eachother out in need, so that we can voice our views together to form a much united group so that our voice will be heard by Toyota to make our cars better.

Unfortunately I am mistaken. Good luck to you too.