"Toyota Black Box Lack Crucial Info"

How's this any different from any other manufacturers, whose "black box" i.e. event data recorder only records in the event of a collision? At least the Prius has the self-diagnostic hybrid system to record information not involving a collision.

 

oh! this is horrible!

 

How many competing manufacturers even have a black box from the factory? They didn't mention that. How many other manufacturers have a black box that records the data CNN or the family lawyer believes should have been recorded? They didn't mention that either. Are they suggesting the NHTSA should create regulation that all auto makers start installing a black box in all vehicles? Or does this only apply to Toyota?

 

toyota put in a blackbox in their cars but its unable to record basic crash info lol.

 

Today is March 17, 2010:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder]Event data recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Get a clue, folks, it is not required.

Bob Wilson

 

You know America is in trouble when people and the media believe attorneys are completely altruistic. More press release journalism.

In most cases, when the attorneys go to the press it's because they are looking for and out-of-court settlement because they know they can't win in court. OK, that's an opinion but at least one attorney has confirmed that for me in years past.

 

I think the "term black box" is leading to confussion. Over 85% have recollision data recorders that record the last 5 seconds before a collision, and are able to survive a collision of 30mph or more.

 

This is hilarious!!

A few years ago members of this forum were scrambling for ways to "disconnect the black box". They didn't want "big brother" watching their every move.
Now they want it to record everything?

Somebody needs to get a clue!

 

They believe insurance companies aren't going to use this information to deny their claims. Americans love and trust insurance companies to do the right thing.

 

The reality is that Toyota has the engineering and technical prowess to implement the required "Black Box" and other features but no regulations are yet in place for this to be mandatory.

 

Technically the regulations are in place. They just aren't effective until MY13.

 

Toyota knew from the employees they hired from the NTHSA that dealt with the agencies that blaming user error would work with the agencies. Why would they actually spend any money on their software that could help a lawyer in a lawsuit against them? The regulations were first to take place this year, but won't until fall 2012. Auto manufacturers got the agency to push the date back. I doubt with the public scrutiny Toyota will wait until the last day. Juries are not likely to take the dog ate my homework, this is just test code excuse toyota has been using in recent years.

 

Did you guys watch the story. They were complaining that toyota reported the speed, but did not record brake application. Do you honestly think that somehow protects privacy? The owner asked for it to be read, they needed help and the threat of a court order to get the data that they did. Only toyota can read these things, total lack of transparancy, some have implied that the edr records the data but toyota chooses not to read it. Its a tough charge to address when data mysteriously is not there.

 

Totally random, but I was recently in a low speed accident where a front end loader backed up into me. The driver of the front end loader said I rear ended him. The police report says I rear ended him.

In fact, I was actually in reverse trying to get away from him when he hit me.

Would I be able to get this data from my little black box?

 

The full technical details are not known, but it is widely believed that the black box only activates if the airbags have deployed.

Based on that, no, you would not be able to get help from the box.

I would hope the police report has your account of the events as well..

 

"Vehicle one states that vehicle two backed up into him. Vehicle two states that while operating his vehicle safely for the purpose of removing snow during a snow emergency, vehicle two rammed into him."

Then the cop has a place where he can put in little codes that you can not easily decipher that tell what he thinks happened and he corraberated the other city workers story. Its pretty rediculous and actually is a long story. I wont get into it, but I am filling a complaint with the civilian complaint review board, the NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau and I will be making a complaint with the district attornys office of Internal Investigations.

This incident happened in front of the police station where I am sure cameras are present.

 

well, Toyota already said that all their cars will have black boxes by 2011, ahead of regulations... additionally, ALL of the car companies have ex-NTHSA employees working for them, not just Toyota. And as an plus, Toyota will have >100 black box readers in the USA within weeks and you will be able to get readout from them.

And in general, no manufacturer will ever do what raises costs to them on their own... few months ago, nobody here would have wanted black box inside their car.

 

It is hard for police to tell who is at fault, so they naturally blame the vehicle in back, who is at fault most of the time.

Good luck. I was lucky that when I was backed into (different car), the driver admitted it (his wife was yelling at him so he didn't notice the car behind him, he was really embarrassed). The guy that hit you will likely be in trouble at work if he talks, so it may be difficult for him to do the right thing (especially if he lied initially).

There might have been data in your cars system, but if the impact is light it won't be saved. You need to have the car towed, and in the past get a court order for toyota to read it. Once you continue driving the data is replaced. We don't really even know if toyota data is retained if towed, but that is how other manufacturers systems work.