NASA GISS shows 2009 as tied for 2nd warmest year on record

enjoying weather reversal between Pacific Northwest and Southern Cali... GCC, AGW, not to blame...it is el nino and the weather was predicted early last summer, so not surprising.

but, what the hey!!, i am sure someone will take it and run somewhere with it

obtw, most likely will become warmest Jan on record...

 

Thanks for the rainy weather - we needed it down here. Could use some more - still have a severe water shortage!

 

too bad, we could not give you water without the mud slides. we had a pineapple express go thru here which meant 4 days of 55º and a months worth of rain. we no have no trains going north (due to mudslide taking out the tracks and Hwy 20) or roads going east across the northen Cascades passes

 

you beat me to it
Sheppard's article kinda renders the NOAA/GISS figures moot.

the real question is, how long will it take for the "press" to start doing their jobs and reporting the facts?

 

I think the press is slowly catching up. All this IPCC stuff and the stuff with Rajendra Pachauri are finding their legs as well. The problem is the media has been shoving this catastrophic global warming garbage down our throats for so long that they'll look like fools when they have to flipflop on it.

 

All it should take is for one or two big-name reporters to grow a set and just get mad for being had for so many years. Then it will really hit the fan....like the Watergate scandal...only much bigger and with a whole lot more players

 

If you guys really believe this, I have some "waterfront property" to sell you in FL! It really is astounding that you folks repeat the same stuff over and over again, in thread after thread. It is nearly all obfuscation, twisted context, with the express (if unstated) purpose of planting a small seed of doubt in the larger community. Then they tend that seed of misinformation.

I think after dozens of thread, with thousands of post, many if not most reprinting the same questionable information, illustrated with nice pretty charts and graphs you have made your point. (Such as is is!)

Why don't you do something positive for a change, and use some of your seemingly limitless energy for some public good? Why don't you make some suggestions about what someone might do (or be doing) to make the world a better place rather than spending your energy tearing people down? That is my thought for the day.

 

Haha Each time I read one of your posts I think that I'm on YouTube.

 

No one cares about global warming anymore:



Pew Poll: global warming dead last, down from last year Watts Up With That?

 

Well I guess that since "nobody cares about global warming any more" then it is not important or it proves that it doesn't exist.

If no once cares about AIDs does that mean it doesn't exist? What about a whole multitude of things that "nobody cares about"?

Your statement rivals what was quite possibly the most inane thing you ever said on this forum,, "Even if I am the biggest liar in the world, why don't you believe me when what I am saying is true"? (sic)

It also begs the question, if nobody cares, why do you spend so much energy trying to convice people that it doesn't exist?

 

Yap, yap, yap.
sorry but your dog just won't hunt.

 

This just in - the public can't look any farther into the future than their own nose. If there was a huge asteroid headed for the earth in 100 years time which would guarantee catastrophic changes to the world, but no-one would act on it until destruction of the earth was eminent.

This is evidenced by how quickly people shift their buying habits from gas guzzlers to fuel-sippers as fast as gas prices rise and fall.

Also evidenced by how many people live from pay check to pay check while making huge payments on their gas guzzler, buying huge 26" chrome wheels, but forgetting to regularly check tire pressures or have the alignment done so they end up spending thousands every couple months to replace those tires when they prematurely wear out (never mind not spending the money in the first place so that they might have some savings for retirement!)

 

We are trying to prevent the world from becoming a worse place. It's obvious that anything humankind can do to change the climate will result in an extreme cutback in everyone's standard of living. Millions of third-world humans will never achieve even a second world standard if the goals of the AGW movement are achieved. Literally, we'll return to a medieval lifestyle.

Then, there is absolutely no evidence that humans can do ANYTHING to affect global climate, for better or worse. Would you doom living and future generations to a miserable existence on a whim, without proof? If you want to live as a serf, get started now! Just don't force it on me and the rest of us!

Icarus: You've been remarkably resistant to the evidence presented here calling the hypothesis of man-made global warming into doubt. What would it take for you to become a skeptic like the rest of us? It's been shown that your models fail, your predictions didn't pan out, your assertions false, your science fraudulent. What would it take? The glaciers aren't melting, the polar bears aren't drowning, the sea levels aren't rising and hurricanes aren't blowing us away more than usual. What would it take for you?

Isn't the fact that there is even a tiny doubt about AGW good news? Thanks to the Climategate whistle-blower and folks like radioprius1 humankind has been given a huge gift! Now we need to address the true threat: Fanatic Environmentalism serving as a red herring for Global Socialism.

 

I would guess I will be more likely to change my opinion of global warming sooner than you are likely to feel that there is more to it that "global socialism" A ridiculous premise that nearly doesn't even warrant a comment, but it exposes the real truth behind many peoples motives. Deniers, (generally) are driven by right wing ideology that has at it's core, a resistance to want to pay for anything,, especially anything that doesn't have a easily quantifiable benefit for them. I suggest you take that rant to the FhoP forum thank you very much.

 

That was a big reply, icarus, not all quoted here.

You say, "Prove it!". Say what? You represent the movement that wants to coercively take my future/property from me and my progeny and YOU want ME to prove that their claptrap is true!!! It's up to the accuser to prove the allegation! The Warmists have tried, and lied, and failed.

Regarding standards of living: You'd have to have the world go back to the early 1800's to reduce CO2 levels to your arbitrary level. It probably can never be met because of the greatly increased global population now.

If you want to live an austere lifestyle, that's fine by me. It will free up more fossil fuel for the rest of us. But realize that even your current living conditions would be considered extravagant to completely address the CO2 problem as described by Al Gore and "The Team".

You mention global CO2 ramping up from ~1800 and that it's a snap to ramp back down. Come on, you know better than that! You mention how splendid LED's are. But you fail to recognize the vast industrial infrastructure that makes LED's (and Priuses) possible in the first place. You'd have to give up LED's and start using tallow candles in your thatch hut. Er, scratch that. Burning tallow will out-gas CO2 too. Multiply one tallow candle by billions of worldwide family huts and we have a real problem again, not to mention all the beef fat we'd have to render. If we can't use tallow, that brings us back to about 1450 or so. Oh well, who needs light at night anyway? There will be nothing to do but sleep anyway. Procreation will be out, it leads to increasing population.

Regarding melting glaciers, drowning polar bears, etc., these things have been debunked or explained numerous times here. You just refuse to listen and understand. It's non-productive to revisit it again. But your oceanic acidification claim is interesting. I'll ask some of my oceanographer friends here at the Scripps Institute of Oceanography if they've heard anything about it. If the pH of the oceans is changing they'd know about it for sure! Trust me, I'll report honestly.

You say that Global Socialism being the driving force behind AGW is ridiculous, but I've seen quotes from the AGW movers and shakers saying exactly that, in so many words. Granted, this discussion is offtopic for this venue. We can bring it elsewhere if you'd like.

But you still fail to answer my question: Wouldn't it be good news if Man-made Global Warming was false? Wouldn't you be happy? The only way I can explain your NOT being happy is that there is some other hidden agenda that you're really interested in.

 

LMGTFY: Let me google that for you

Here's a nice video (from your friends at Scripps) on how human caused CO2 is causing ocean acidification and affecting ocean life:

Victoria Fabry on Ocean Acidification | Scripps Oceanography at COP-15 Blog

SCRIPPS : RESEARCH : OCEAN ACIDIFICATION

BTW - did you know that your oceanographer friends at Scripps also do a lot of climate research, specifically related to global warming?

A Response to Climate Change Denialism

That's just the first paragraph from the link above. Ask your friends what they think.

I would be very happy! But wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

 

On other forums I've been on Icarus would have been tagged a troll and banned. Usually, posters that are that consistently (or in many cases, inconsistently) illogical are doing so with the sole purpose of getting people riled up.

 

I'm not sure what you've been reading, but any hostile posts I've seen from icarus have been a direct response to a couple other members - radioprius1 and NevadaPrius being two that stand out - who have been far more confrontational, arrogant and trolling.

The vast majority of his posts in this thread have been seeking to avoid confrontation - but at least one of the previous mentioned members chose to troll here any way.

But given that you've only been here less than a month - perhaps we should cut you some slack. But then again, looking at your last post, you don't seem to be innocent your self.

 

Whenever I see the phrase "settled science" in this area my eyes roll back and chuckle. The author must have flunked basic science or has forgotten the definition of the scientific method, sigh... The issue is anything but settled. That entire article reads like a bad 100 course paper...done by a student? ...most likely.
As for the "world is warming" BS, the recent expose' of the NOAA and GISS data takes care of that.

Settled science? puleeze...

 

I never said hostle; People do this for fun. I've read many of his posts along with several of the other "warming" threads and find a lot of inconsistencies w/in the arguments; that's all I'm saying.