Climate change - anthropogenic or not?

Oh, My!

Anyone who has been following the recent developments re CRU and the E-mails leaked by a whistleblower knows that RealCLimate.org is the propaganda wing of a cabal of scientists involved in agenda-driven science. It is anything but an independent organization with scientific truth as its goal.

Please read this E-mail where 'RC' refers, of course, to RealClimate:

From: "Michael E. Mann" <[email protected]>
To: Tim Osborn <[email protected]>, Keith Briffa <[email protected]>
Subject: update
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:51:53 -0500
Reply-to: [email protected]
Cc: Gavin Schmidt <[email protected]>

<x-flowed>
guys, I see that Science has already gone online w/ the new issue, so we
put up the RC post. By now, you've probably read that nasty McIntyre
thing. Apparently, he violated the embargo on his website (I don't go
there personally, but so I'm informed).

Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you're free to use RC in any way
you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about
what comments we screen through, and we'll be very careful to answer any
questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you
might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold
comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think
they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you'd
like us to include.

You're also welcome to do a followup guest post, etc. think of RC as a
resource that is at your disposal to combat any disinformation put
forward by the McIntyres of the world. Just let us know. We'll use our
best discretion to make sure the skeptics dont'get to use the RC
comments as a megaphone...

mike




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wy are we al talking about climate change having a hotter climate...
hotter climate means melting of the polar ice what wil disturb oceanic cool and warm water flows. this will then bring a new ice age not a hotter climate
its nature's way of dealing with climate changes.

 

i qoute from your first link
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Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

By Charles Onians

Monday, 20 March 2000


"Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."

 

the snow i have seen to date is nothing compared what i used to se in the 80's
so my current experience is not the same that you have.
but its more cold where i life now then its been for 25 years.
i think thats just part of nature

if what you say is that the earth is cooling for 8-9 years wy are the ice caps melting?

 

National Weather Highlight for 12 / 29 / 09: Record snow falls in Dallas / Fort Worth area

Once in a generation cold snap forecast for NC | WNCT

Record low blows into Siouxland

Ice in the Arctic is melting. Ice in Antarctica is expanding. Go figure.

About the cooling, he actually wrote a blog post about it:

The IPCC and Recent Cooling The Climate Conspiracy

 

They're not melting. Antarctica's icecap is expanding, while the Arctic's is expanding again after a contraction a couple of years ago. This minor and not unprecedented retreat was caused by "weather", rather than "climate", and was due to periodic changes in the circulation patterns of the oceans. Face it, the earth is cooling again after a rise that ended late in the last century. No, polar bears are not roasting/drowning as the World Wildlife Fund's television advertisements are still claiming. (One wonders what happens to their fraudulently solicited donations if there are no polar bear cubs to save? Just wondering...) Yes, Mount Kilimanjaro's icecap is shrinking, but it's happening due to a process called "sublimation". This is where ice evaporates without first melting. You can see it in your freezer. The temperatures on top of the mountain never exceed 0-C, so the ice can't be melting. The shrinkage is rightfully blamed on man-made agricultural deforestation around the base of the mountain.

A lot of good and trusting people have been hoodwinked, and the world's politicians are compounding the crime by taking advantage of their fears to justify expansion of governmental power. Disgusting? You bet!

 

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i did write "where i life"
i have not seen any record low's here
only if you look at the past 5 years haha but thats not something useful.

ok if this ic correct wy is this info not on the news channels?

and if temp is falling again after a raise it then will get up again after this cold periode
and what if this new hot periode will be hotter then before and the cold periode colder then before...or maybe not colder?

there are a lot if IF's.... i think.
but if i look at the koopenhagen climate meeting the only thing that people where talking about is co2 and there are a lot more things then co2.. just thinks about clean air.

 

Because most of the mainstream media are in the tank with the Alarmists and the Liberal Governments. Look at ClimateGate: it's arguably the biggest science news item in history, but you don't hear about it in the media. "If" they mention it they pronounce there's nothing to it without doing due diligence to investigative journalism.

Sure, anything could happen, and has been happening for millenia without man's influence.

Copenhagen was a pure political process, it had nothing to do with science. It had everything to do with wealth redistribution from rich countries to tin-pot dictatorships in the third-world. Just look at the facts in evidence, don't believe the politicians or the scientists they bought and paid for.

 

not that fox is a great news channel
i was watching the news about the airplane above detroit terrorist attack on fox
and OMG al the facts where wrong but that wroing fact where a lot more sensational....
and thats also the bublic opition about fox news....
so thats a big problem if people want to believe news if its on fox news

 

niet is die vos een groot nieuwskanaal
ik op het nieuws over het vliegtuig boven Detroit terroristenaanval op vos en
al OMG de feiten waar verkeerd maar dat wroing feit waar veel meer sensationeel…. lette
en dat is ook bublic opition over vosnieuws….
zodat een groot probleem is als de mensen nieuws willen geloven als zijn vosnieuws.

 

I guess all the true believers are silenced by the overwhelming consensus that catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is a fraud.

Congratulations to the skeptics, the true champions of rigoruos science, and rejectors of the falsification of science for political ends.

Good work.

I'm going on a mini unforced vacation, although I may return at any time.