1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Headlight vs. Land Sharks

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Jul 12, 2009.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,661
    15,661
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus


    Sorry for the lame formatting, this is a cut and paste from a Google search:
    Apparently a 'Frisco lawyer is attempting to start a class-action lawsuit against Toyota. It is in his interest to get wide-spread notice for more members. As for these 'news sources,' well some of them have been trolling for Prius skeptic stories for a long, long time. But even so, there is a question of the headlights since we only have two alternatives for the 2010 Prius.

    I couldn't find anything in the New Car Features to show there were any HID changes. When I take our 2010 into the dealer for the first scans and oil changes, I'll ask about the part numbers. Understand, I'm OK with knowing about a potential problem as I'll make sure to carry a 'shares kit.'

    My first car was a 1966 VW MicroBus and I always thought everyone carried tools, gaskets and parts.

    Bob Wilson
     
  2. stream

    stream Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    2,977
    452
    14
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    V
    The 2010 Prius (at least in the U.S.) comes with either halogen or LED (on Prius V) headlights. No HIDs.
     
  3. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,661
    15,661
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    Thanks!

    I take it the halogens are much more affordable.

    Bob Wilson
     
  4. nylion

    nylion New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    167
    61
    0
    Location:
    Seattle WA
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A

    When I was doing my Highway traffic safety research for unwanted acceleration, I scanned all of the filings against Prius for 2005, 6, and 7. In that period there were hundreds of HID filings.

    Since a very small percentage of owners file with NHSA, it's safe to assume there are a ton of HID complaints. This is the stuff class actions are made from.

    My dealer told me last week that the reason the Prius (and all other Toyota's) now have 5,000 instead of 7,500 mile oil change intervals was another class action on engine sludge. Toyota settled and changed the interval to avoid future litigation.
     
  5. 200Volts

    200Volts Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2004
    429
    43
    1
    Location:
    Northern CA
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Here is an email from the SF law firm.
    Thank you for taking the time to contact our law firm about the litigation involving the HID Headlight System in Toyota Prius vehicles. We will be providing updates on the status of the class action litigation against Toyota periodically in emails such as this one.

    We have spoken with many of you over the past weeks and months and wish to express our appreciation to you for taking the time to talk and to provide information. Please remember to save the original copies of all of your HID headlight-related receipts. You may need them in the future.

    To date, our firm has filed two class action lawsuits against Toyota related to the 2006-2009 Prius vehicles equipped with high-intensity discharge (“HID”) headlights. As you may know, there have been many reports that the HID headlights sporadically turn off while the vehicles are being driven, causing Prius drivers to temporarily lose illumination from one or both headlights. The cost of repairing or replacing the HID headlight system parts can quickly run into the hundreds, and even thousands of dollars.

    Federal Class Action Lawsuit

    The federal class action lawsuit against Toyota seeks certification of a nationwide class on behalf of owners and lessees of 2006-2009 Prius vehicles. In the alternative, the lawsuit seeks certification of state-by-state classes. The case is pending in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York before Judge Sullivan.

    The federal complaint alleges that Toyota has improperly concealed the defect in the Prius HID headlight systems from its customers, despite having known of its existence for some time.

    California State Court Class Action Lawsuit

    The California state court lawsuit against Toyota seeks certification of a California class on behalf of owners and lessees of 2006-2009 Prius vehicles. The lawsuit has been consolidated with several others and is pending before Judge Highberger in Superior Court in Los Angeles.

    The California complaint alleges that Toyota violated California’s “Secret Warranty Law” by offering to pay for all or part of repairs to the Prius’s HID Headlight System, but only for customers who contacted Toyota’s customer assistance center to complain and who meet Toyota’s predetermined criteria.

    What You Can Do To Help

    There are two things everyone can do to help. First, keep us updated if anything new happens with your Prius’s HID headlights. Second, please save any documentation that you think may potentially be related to this litigation. We encourage you to let us know if you have information or documents that you think would be helpful to us in prosecuting this case.

    If you own a 2006-2009 Toyota Prius with HID headlights and think you may be a member of the proposed class in either or both of the cases, you do not need to take any further action at this time. We will keep you informed via email of the status of the case and any substantive changes that may affect your claims.

    If you have any questions about either case or if you have information you would like to share, please feel free to reply to this email or call (866) 981-4800.

    Girard Gibbs LLP
    601 California Street, Suite 1400
    San Francisco, CA 94108
    Phone; (415) 981-4800
    Fax: (415) 981-4846
    www.girardgibbs.com
     
  6. chrisj428

    chrisj428 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    680
    144
    35
    Location:
    Vernon Hills, IL
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    As much as I loathe the abomination that our legal system has become in the USA, this is a legitimate concern. I can't tell you how many GenII Priori with HIDs I've seen winking at me whilst on the road.
     
  7. rumpledoll

    rumpledoll Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    179
    46
    0
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    V
    Everyone hates lawyers ... until they need one. Then it's the other fellows lawyer that is a scoundrel. :D

     
  8. David Beale

    David Beale Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    5,963
    1,985
    0
    Location:
    Edmonton Alberta
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    The GII uses H4 halogen headlamp bulbs. They are typically $10 each, though I'm sure you can do better. Not sure which bulbs the GIII uses. Note that the H4 now are also called 9000 or something.
     
  9. Radiant

    Radiant New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    148
    17
    0
    Location:
    NE
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Actuallly, it's the very fact that everyone eventually needs a lawyer for even the most pointless of things that irritates me. Some things would be more efficiently handled if we did not get the lawyers involved. Unfortunately in our litigious society we have no choice.

    My lawyer is as much a scoundrel as the other guys. So we are sadly matched. Sigh!

    Anyway, the question is: why hasn't a recall been issued?
     
  10. mikepaul

    mikepaul Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2003
    1,763
    6
    0
    Location:
    Columbia, SC
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    So, there are *no* issues with 2004 models, like some cheaper part in the newer builds was the culprit?...
     
  11. chrisj428

    chrisj428 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    680
    144
    35
    Location:
    Vernon Hills, IL
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    Oh no! Be thee not disillusioned -- I didn't even trust my own out of my sight. ;)